1987 Canada vs. USSR : both disqualified

Can anybody tell me more about this 1987 WJC? I know that both teams were disqulified because of some big brawl, but I'd like some details. Can anybody provide me with a link?

Thanks

Can anybody tell me more about this 1987 WJC? I know that both teams were disqulified because of some big brawl, but I'd like some details. Can anybody provide me with a link?

Thanks
This was named the Piastany(pardon my spelling lol) punch up.... Canada was winning and were about to solidify the gold mental when things out of hand and Russia and Canada started slashing each other and a bench clearing brawl broke out which led to chaos and the Canadian team being led out of the country.. as a result Canada lost their claim for the gold medal and along with Russia were disqualified from the tournment..

Heres a link with a clip of the incident:
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-41-1459-9679/sports/don_cherry/clip2

ps. the lights went out during the melay.

enjoy

Can anybody tell me more about this 1987 WJC? I know that both teams were disqulified because of some big brawl, but I'd like some details. Can anybody provide me with a link?

Thanks
ALso if u get eson classic canada they r showing this game i think on Monday the 20th.....i also want to see this game casue i have only seen some hi lights.

wow Cherry's comment was just :dunce:

wow Cherry's comment was just :dunce:

Yeah, he's a lovable little guy. I have to give him credit for saying something along the lines of "I'll side with Canada right or wrong", admitting to bias.

wow Cherry's comment was just :dunce:

He was 100% correct though, that ****** on the other side either didn't watch hockey or was trying way to hard to come off as a great hockey mind. Cherry said roughly, they did what they had to do, and you know what if you watch the tape, that is correct there is no doubt about that.

Canada did not have the gold medal in hand. They had to beat the Soviets by a wide margin like 7 goals to get the gold. Finland had the superior goal for against ratio. The Soviets were out of the medals all together and had absolutely nothing to lose (other than a few teeth) by brawling.

ALso if u get eson classic canada they r showing this game i think on Monday the 20th.....i also want to see this game casue i have only seen some hi lights.
nice ill watch that on monday... do u know what time is it?

Canada did not have the gold medal in hand. They had to beat the Soviets by a wide margin like 7 goals to get the gold. Finland had the superior goal for against ratio. The Soviets were out of the medals all together and had absolutely nothing to lose (other than a few teeth) by brawling.
Think they only had to beat them by four and were well on their way to doing it.Who knows what would have happened but it was a fishy ploy bythe Soviet coach....Cherry was right that day and i'm glad he told Williams off...he deserved it and i've never liked the guy since.

The cool thing is that the Frf and linesman were Europeans (Czechs I thknk) and they had no clue how to handle 20fights at a time. So they just stood at the zamboni entrance with their arms crossed and watched... and the fights didn't end... so the fans began whistling (sign of discontent in Europe)... and then the organizers turned off the lights in the building tyo calm everyone down... and the players kept fighting in pitch black conditions... and the lights came back on... and they were still fighting...

It's truely a classic.

Without a doubt.....i don't remember ever being so jacked up.....maybe 1987 Canada cup or Salt Lake but that's it.

so what happind in 85? us vs ussr?

My mistake it wasn't 7, but it wasn't 4 either. If I recall it was a five goal margin that they had to win by. It is questionable

Cherry was right that day and i'm glad he told Williams off...he deserved it and i've never liked the guy since.

That look that he gave Williams was classic

Canada had to win by 2 goals and Soviets were leading 4-2, so Canada needed four goals at that point. The fight started after 13 minutes of 2nd period.

Btw, Theoren Fleury was one of the starters of the fight.

I can read more after I am back home.

Wow, some peole are really too biased here.

I'm just asking for a clip.

Look what I've found : http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2868&item=6346780469&rd=1

But the bidding is over, damn!

The cool thing is that the Frf and linesman were Europeans (Czechs I thknk) and they had no clue how to handle 20fights at a time. So they just stood at the zamboni entrance with their arms crossed and watched... and the fights didn't end... so the fans began whistling (sign of discontent in Europe)... and then the organizers turned off the lights in the building tyo calm everyone down... and the players kept fighting in pitch black conditions... and the lights came back on... and they were still fighting...

It's truely a classic.

A Finnish hockey mag described it that when the lights went out, the players stopped fighting, but continued immediately when they came back on. The fighting didn't stop until the local militias showed and locked and loaded their AK-47's.

Edit: I found the Jääkiekkolehti issue with a good description of the events. The ref was Norwegian Ulf Rönning, and one of the linesmen was Finnish Peter Pomoell (whose words were mainly used in the article). Pomoell said Rönning was poor throughout the match. Soviets were indeed leading the game 4-2 when the fight started. The magazine also had a clear description on how it started, I'll post it later if anyone's interested.

Canada had to win by 2 goals and Soviets were leading 4-2, so Canada needed four goals at that point. The fight started after 13 minutes of 2nd period.

Btw, Theoren Fleury was one of the starters of the fight.

I can read more after I am back home.

You got it wrong. Canada was leading 4-2 at the time - that I'm sure of. My recollection was that Canada needed to win by 4 goals to win the gold. With a win they were guaranteed the silver.

In those days the tournament was a round robin format and the Russians were already out of the medals.

You got it wrong. Canada was leading 4-2 at the time - that I'm sure of. My recollection was that Canada needed to win by 4 goals to win the gold. With a win they were guaranteed the silver.



Quote from the article I mentioned: "When the fight started, both teams were a man down and Soviets were leading 4-2." And as ES said Fleury basically started the fight by spearing Smirnov who was trying to close the puck against the boards. Pavel Kostitshkin, who was playing in Finland when the article was written, said that he was on his way to help Smirnov when Everett Sanipass (?) hit him. Fleury was also going to hit him but he hit first, that's when it all began.

Quote from the article I mentioned: "When the fight started, both teams were a man down and Soviets were leading 4-2." And as ES said Fleury basically started the fight by spearing Smirnov who was trying to close the puck against the boards. Pavel Kostitshkin, who was playing in Finland when the article was written, said that he was on his way to help Smirnov when Everett Sanipass (?) hit him. Fleury was also going to hit him but he hit first, that's when it all began.

Seems to be conflicting reports because over at TSN they have it the other way around:


With Canada in contention for gold and leading Russia 4-2 in their final game, the lights went out - literally. A bench-clearing brawl erupted and officials, struggling to restore order, had the lights in the arena shut off. The players continued to fight in the dark, and organizers were forced to cancel the game. Both teams were eventually disqualified from the competition.

http://www.tsn.ca/World_jrs/feature.asp?fid=3845

Maybe somebody who watched those Juniors could tell us :)

We all know TSN is all about Canada, so if they were losing, TSN would still claim Canada was leading! :lol:

A Finnish hockey mag described it that when the lights went out, the players stopped fighting, but continued immediately when they came back on. The fighting didn't stop until the local militias showed and locked and loaded their AK-47's.

Edit: I found the Jääkiekkolehti issue with a good description of the events. The ref was Norwegian Ulf Rönning, and one of the linesmen was Finnish Peter Pomoell (whose words were mainly used in the article). Pomoell said Rönning was poor throughout the match. Soviets were indeed leading the game 4-2 when the fight started. The magazine also had a clear description on how it started, I'll post it later if anyone's interested.

We're interested. Please do that!

We all know TSN is all about Canada, so if they were losing, TSN would still claim Canada was leading! :lol:

TSN not good enough for you... Scroll down to 1987, where you will see what this particular non Canadian site had the score listed as, ironically enough 4-2 Canada as well.http://www.russianjerseys.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003926;p=1

We all know TSN is all about Canada, so if they were losing, TSN would still claim Canada was leading! :lol:
Canada was leading in that game.....check it out...tsn is just reporting what the score was.Of course tsn is about Canada,should it be different?But Canada was leading by two goals in that game.

We're interested. Please do that!

Already did, see my previous post.

clip can be found here on the major junior fight clip board.http://hockeyfighters.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3913

i'am not 100% sure but 99% sure canada was winning the game.i was watching the game but it was along time ago,there's been alot of beer drinking since then memory not what it used to be :) :) :)

By the way, if you download the clip, when they turn the lights off, they give a close up of the arena scoreboard at exactly 03:26 of the clip.. the scoreboard part is lit up, to clearly see Canada leading 4-2.

We all know TSN is all about Canada, so if they were losing, TSN would still claim Canada was leading! :lol:

First you say that all you want is a link and now you are provoking people. :speechles


Canada was in fact winning the game 4-2. They had to win my atleast 5 goals. Weather Canada would have won that game or not we will never know, but we do know what sparked the whole issue of "Violence in hockey" as well as a major increase in the rivalry between the two nations (This was the first major issue between the two since 1972.).

Alright dudes, you seem pretty upset with the fact the Russia was leading ... huh, why would it be so? Let me just add this : you all know that Russia is superior to Canada, so you're just making up some silly stories that Canada was supposedly leading against the Soviets once in the past, and that Canada was going to beat the Russians by 7 goals to win its first WOrld Championship, but since they couldn't accomplish that diddly do feat, the Canadians wanted at least prove they were not all (because there were many of them) sissies. So they got into this fight, like real man! Ouch. And got their ass kicked as usual. :joker:

PS. Dudes, I'm totally high ... no actually I'm sick (with sore throat and fever), so don't pay attention to what I'm saying. Halleluyah! :dunce:

Alright dudes, you seem pretty upset with the fact the Russia was leading ... huh, why would it be so? Let me just add this : you all know that Russia is superior to Canada, so you're just making up some silly stories that Canada was supposedly leading against the Soviets once in the past, and that Canada was going to beat the Russians by 7 goals to win its first WOrld Championship, but since they couldn't accomplish that diddly do feat, the Canadians wanted at least prove they were not all (because there were many of them) sissies. So they got into this fight, like real man! Ouch. And got their ass kicked as usual. :joker:

PS. Dudes, I'm totally high ... no actually I'm sick (with sore throat and fever), so don't pay attention to what I'm saying. Halleluyah! :dunce:

Someone want to tranlate this for me? It's about as clear as a glass of Mexican water.

I saw the game. Canada WAS ahead 4-2 and were threatening to run away with it when the brawl began. The fights, of course, were also one-sided.

Yeah Canada waz leading 4-2 ...

I'm telling you I'm sick, and when I'm sick, I'm like somebody totally drunk!

Forgive me, I posted all this crap for fun, but notice that I didn't even ask the score or anything ... sombody came in and just started it all "Canada was leading blah blah Canada was going to win the gold medal blah blah ... :handclap:

Yeah Canada waz leading 4-2 ...

Nice to see your feeling better!

I'm telling you I'm sick, and when I'm sick, I'm like somebody totally drunk!

Forgive me, I posted all this crap for fun, but notice that I didn't even ask the score or anything ... sombody came in and just started it all "Canada was leading blah blah Canada was going to win the gold medal blah blah ... :handclap:

Maybe if you are sick and post like you are drunk (ya right) then you shouldn't post (your posts are weird).

Maybe if you are sick and post like you are drunk (ya right) then you shouldn't post (your posts are weird).

Try reading LeafLander's posts.

Try reading LeafLander's posts.

Who's that?

Doesnt anybody know where I could find both of the rosters?

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but does anyone remember how much of a idiot Brian Williams was? He was saying how much the Canadian boys have discrassed there country!

Don Cherry almost beat the crap out of Williams live on tv. Cherry in a interview years later said he wanted to punch Williams, and thought his comments were wrong.

Doesnt anybody know where I could find both of the rosters?

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/junior/1987/index.html
Here's the Canadian roster.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/junior/1987/index.html
Here's the Canadian roster.
Thanks.

Canada was leading 4-2, the article Jussi referred to was in Jääkiekkolehti, and someone on the Jatkoaika boards who said he was there basically refuted the article as beign wrong..

if TSN has it as Canada 4-2 then I'd believe that, its easy for a ref to remember scores the wrong way..

basically our eyewitness said the fight started, then the russian coach ordered 2 guys onto the ice (to prevent those russians losing a fight from getting injured).
the canadians saw this as an open challenge for a team-wide brawl, and everyone came onto the ice..

I can't remember the game and how it went, just remember a huge fight..

So who were the main guys fighting?
Who won the fights?

Seems to be conflicting reports because over at TSN they have it the other way around:



http://www.tsn.ca/World_jrs/feature.asp?fid=3845 (http://www.tsn.ca/World_jrs/feature.asp?fid=3845)

Maybe somebody who watched those Juniors could tell us :)
Canada was definitely leading and gaining momentum. They were on the verge or had just reached the number of goals that they needed to win gold. The Soviets were being outclassed. The clown refereeing the match had absolutely lost control, not that he ahd it during the game. The Soviets were out of medal contention. All The Soviet players were out on the ice. The Canadian coach tried to hold his players back, but the players would have none of it. It was probably the most disgraceful act in Soviet hockey history. They deliberately went after the Canadians with the intent of taking their medal hopes away. They got their ***** kicked and deserved it!

One of the few decent things Harold Ballard ever did was having gold medal made up and presented to this team.

basically our eyewitness said the fight started, then the russian coach ordered 2 guys onto the ice (to prevent those russians losing a fight from getting injured).
the canadians saw this as an open challenge for a team-wide brawl, and everyone came onto the ice..


Not just two guys, the WHOLE TEAM! The coach's didn't try and stop them, and I don't doubt that they were ordered onto the ice. If you remember, back in the day, the coach of the Soviets stood on the bench in front of the players. Nobody moved unless they were ordered to go.

So who were the main guys fighting?
Who won the fights?
We kicked them all over the ice,i think they even lost the fights where they had three guys on one of ours......fighting was'nt something they were used to...it may have been the first fight for all of the Soviet players on skates in their life.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/junior/1987/index.html
Here's the Canadian roster.

Interesting that only 7 players on that roster actually went on to have long NHL careers, 6 1/2 since I am counting Hawgood.

Seeing Steve Chaisson's name is still a lil' tough for me :(

I wonder what assistant coach PAT BURNS thought of the incident :)

Here's the roster and stats from the '87 USSR Jr. team:

D Vladimir Konstantinov 6gp 1-4=5 pts 8pm
D Dmitriy Tsygurov 6gp 1-2=3 pts 2pm
D Andrey Smirnov 6gp 1-2=3 pts 8pm
D Igor Monayenkov 6gp 1-0=1 pts 8pm
D Vladimir Malakhov 6gp 0-0=0 pts 4pm
D Vadim Musatov 6gp 0-0=0 pts 10pm
F Aleksandr Kerch 6gp 6-2=8 pts 20pm
F Pavel Kostichkin 6gp 4-1=5 pts 10pm
F Aleksandr Mogilny 6gp 3-2=5 pts 4pm
F Sergey Shesterikov 6gp 2-2=4 pts 0pm
F Yevgeny Davydov 6gp 3-0=3 pts 4pm
F Valeri Zelepukin 6gp 2-1=3 pts 4pm
F Valeri Popov 6gp 0-3=3 pts 4pm
F Sergey Osipov 6gp 0-3=3 pts 0pm
F Anton Zagorodniy 6gp 1-1=2 pts 6pm
F Aleksandr Galchenyuk 6gp 1-1=2 pts 8pm
F Dmitriy Medvedev 6gp 1-0=1 pts 2pm
F Sergey Fedorov 6gp 0-0=0 pts 8pm
G Valeri Ivannikov 6gp 20 GA
G Vadim Privalov 1gp 0 GA

Coaches: Vladimir Vasilyev,
Valentina Gureyev

Note: statistics do not take into account match with Canada.

USSR-POLAND - 7:3 (3:2, 3:0, 1:1) Kostichkin-2, Galchenyuk, Davydov, Mogilny, Zelepukin, Kerch

USSR-SWITZERLAND - 8:0 (2:0, 4:0, 2:0) Kerch-2, Shesterikov-2, Kostichkin, Medvedev, Davydov, Zagorodniy

USSR-FINLAND - 4:5 (2:3, 0:1, 2:1) Kerch, Mogilny, Tsygurov, Zelepukin

USSR-CZECHOSLOVAKIA - 3:5 (0:2, 1:2, 2:1) Mogilny, Konstantinov, Smirnov

USSR-SWEDEN - 3:3 (1:2, 0:0, 2:1) Kerch, Kostichkin, Davydov

USSR-USA - 2:4 (1:1, 1:1, 0:2) Kerch, Monayenkov

The final match of USSR-CAN was interrupted, when time clock showed 33 minutes and 53 seconds of playing time,with score 4:2 in favour of Canadians, because of fighting on ice in which participated players of both commands.

On the solution of IIHF, the commands of USSR and CAN were both disqualified and remained without places in the total qualification. At the same time, the results of other matches with their participation are left valid.
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Boy.......Fedorov, Mogilny, Malakhov, Davydov, Zelepukin I can't believe it!

If I am not mistaken it had something to do with Zelepukin. His shoulder was beaten out and the Soviet coach told his players to take some revenge.

I actually own a copy of this game if anybody is interested. The sound quality isn't great but I'd be willing to copy it if anybody wants to shell out a few bucks my way.

If I am not mistaken it had something to do with Zelepukin. His shoulder was beaten out and the Soviet coach told his players to take some revenge.


Wow :eek: I always loved Valeri, so Im glad he wasn't fighting in it.

The game itself was very chippy and I put some of the blame on the referee Ronning who seemed to be out of his element at that level. It is also ironic that the two teams shared a moment of silence honouring the four Swift Current Bronco players a few minutes before the brawl.

Shanahan I believe was the first Canadian over the boards, followed by Luke. I believe there's a quote out there from Shanahan about that.

First you say that all you want is a link and now you are provoking people. :speechles


Develop a sense of humour.

I saw the game. Canada WAS ahead 4-2 and were threatening to run away with it when the brawl began. The fights, of course, were also one-sided.

Who cares? Russia - 12 gold medals. Canada - 10 gold medals. End of story. Russia wins - you lose.

Who cares? Russia - 12 gold medals. Canada - 10 gold medals. End of story. Russia wins - you lose.


Russia = sissies.

You lose.

*****.

Russia = sissies.

You lose.

*****.

*head explodes*

If I am not mistaken it had something to do with Zelepukin. His shoulder was beaten out and the Soviet coach told his players to take some revenge.

I believe he was cross checked at center ice with the ref watching. No penalties were given, which gives you an idea how lost the ref was.