GDT:Bruins @ Wolf Pack 12-15-04

Lets win again Pack! Balej....whenever your ready. We dont have to worry about Patrice Bergeron lighting the lamp or getting any helpers tonight for the Bruins since he is up in Canada for the WJCs.

Game Starts at 7:05
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Go Pack! :handclap: :handclap: :handclap: :handclap:

Good luck tonight, guys!!! You can beat the Bruins!!! Go Pack!! Go Chad!! :hockey: :handclap:

Let's go Pack! :handclap: :handclap:

go pack!

I predict lot of hitting and defense.

I predict 3-1 wolfpack win.

Goals for Pack: Hollweg, Moore, Balej

Goals for Bruins: Hilbert

they score :(

Let's Go Pack!!!!!!!! :handclap:

Thank the ref for it not being 2-0. Waved a goal off because of a penalty.

Double Minor on Weller. :shakehead

Weller in the box with a double minor. 2 for boarding and 2 for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Total Pack shots after Period 1....season low: 3 SHOTS.

I bet they'll get an earful from McGill during intermission.

Guess they didnt get much from McGill...6 shots after 33 minutes...

I haven't heard Lampman's name mentioned. Did I miss something? I didn't think I heard his name as a scratch.

Edit: Sounds like he may have been injured.

Lampman started the game..i dont know what happened to him though.

But i am sure about the fact the Pack are down 3-0 after 2 periods. :shakehead :shakehead :shakehead :shakehead

The guys can bounce back, but they have to stay out of the box! Come on guys, one period left! :hockey:

3-1 on a goal by Moore. C'mon guys we need 2 more!

Hamilton makes it 3-2! :handclap: C'mon 1 more...

Hamilton makes it 3-2! :handclap: C'mon 1 more...
Chad and Nycholat with the assists!!!!! :handclap: :handclap:

Come on BALEJ...ITS YOUR TURN....STEP UP

If Balej doesnt score this game maybe the players should give him a locker room beatdown. Maybe that will get his game going because I dont know what wrong with him....maybe they should sit him out for a month so he can come back fresh.

Pack Loose. :(

Even though the Pack lost, they really fought back in the 3rd and got 2 goals. They'll bounce back against Portland on Friday. :)


SCORING SUMMARY

Period 1
Providence - Kevin Dallman (Andy Hilbert, Yorick Treille) 3:01

Period 2
Providence - Kevin Dallman (Jay Henderson, Ben Guite) 12:24
Providence - Dan LaCouture (David Gove, Milan Jurcina) 17:00

Period 3
Hartford - Dominic Moore (powerplay) (Lawrence Nycholat, Alexandre Giroux) 1:57
Hartford - Jeff Hamilton (powerplay) (Chad Wiseman, Lawrence Nycholat) 7:10 :highclap:


PENALTIES

Period 1
Providence - Brendan Walsh - (High Sticking), 2 min, 4:16
Hartford - Jake Taylor - (Roughing), 2 min, 9:17
Hartford - David Liffiton - (Interference), 2 min, 15:58
Hartford - Craig Weller - (Unsportsmanlike Conduct), 2 min, 18:19
Hartford - Craig Weller - (Boarding), 2 min, 18:19

Period 2
Providence - Leon Hayward - (Tripping), 2 min, 3:04
Hartford - Trevor Gillies - (Roughing), 2 min, 5:21
Hartford - Trevor Gillies - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 5:21
Providence - Colton Orr - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 5:21
Hartford - Jake Taylor - (Misconduct Misconduct), 10 min, 5:21
Providence - Milan Jurcina - (Tripping), 2 min, 6:50
Providence - Jay Leach - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 8:56
Hartford - Garth Murray - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 8:56
Hartford - Trevor Gillies - (Unsportsmanlike Conduct), 2 min, 16:05
Hartford - Trevor Gillies - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 16:05
Providence - Brendan Walsh - (Roughing), 2 min, 16:05
Providence - Brendan Walsh - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 16:05

Period 3
Providence - Leon Hayward - (Cross Checking), 2 min, 0:42
Providence - Milan Jurcina - (Roughing), 2 min, 0:42
Hartford - Jamie Lundmark - (Roughing), 2 min, 0:42
Hartford - Trevor Gillies - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 5:59
Hartford - Trevor Gillies - (Third Major in Game Game Misconduct) (27(b)), 10 min, 5:59
Providence - Colton Orr - (Cross Checking), 2 min, 5:59
Providence - Colton Orr - (Fighting Major), 5 min, 5:59
Providence - Jayme Filipowicz - (Roughing), 2 min, 12:34
Providence - Jayme Filipowicz - (Roughing), 2 min, 12:34
Hartford - Garth Murray - (Roughing), 2 min, 12:34
Hartford - Garth Murray - (Roughing), 2 min, 12:34

potential top six forwards, Lundmark and Balej, once again. How disappointing...

potential top six forwards, Lundmark and Balej, once again. How disappointing...
balej needs to go to europe like tjutin. its pointless to have him waste away in hartford. some guys play better againts better competition.

balej needs to go to europe like tjutin. its pointless to have him waste away in hartford. some guys play better againts better competition.

How u know Balej would even score in europe against better competition if he cant do it in the AHL.

Hate to say it, but I started that Balej thread how many weeks ago. The guy just doesn't impress me. We drank the Kool Aid on him I fear...

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=115702
Thread started 11/28

balej has averaged over a point per game in the AHL in the past, i'm not really that concerned overall that he's not scoring this year...i saw what he could do when he was on the rangers, i saw what he could do in the AHL playoffs last year...this year he's very frustrating but it doesn't look like anything more than a slump

How u know Balej would even score in europe against better competition if he cant do it in the AHL.

he has done it in the past (score in the AHL) your comment is misleading in a way...

we drank the Kool Aid on him I fear...

don't tell me i "drank kool aid", my opinions are based off of what i saw. if you don't agree, then that's fine, but the whole "kool aid" angle really annoys me.

past performance is not always indicative of future results, always remember. If he's not scoring this year, it's a huge problem. He should be averaging more than a point-per-game. Look at other NHL hopefuls in the AHL...they're doing pretty well, guys like Spezza, Hilbert and so-on. Saying he's scored in the past is just making excuses for him. There's no excuse. None, ziltch, not for a guy who's 'supposed' to be a top six NHL forward. If he can't get it going in the AHL (and the competition is a bit stiffer this season than last), then why would he get it going in the NHL? I haven't seen too many top six NHL forwards have AHL results like this at this stage of his career. SoS...makes zero sense to me. If he can't come to play every night, even against lesser competition, if it really is, then he's going to have a dickens of a time in the NHL. He excelled in the playoffs last season, and I remember saying taht he needs to stop the one-on-one crap because it won't fly in the NHL, but he got-by in the AHL last season on it - well, here we are, and with the lockout and better quality opposition, he's sucking duck butter through a straw.

And on Lundmark...if he keeps this up, I think the only thing that would have the Rangers protect Lundmark in a waiver draft is the fact that his whole million $ salary doesn't have to be paid (although the revenues would be less). His knee is no longer an excuse. He's gotta start putting numbers up. This team seems no worse offensively without the two top six NHL forwards at the moment.

i don't think the quality of the AHL has risen that much that it's causing balej to be unsuccessful

sorry, i'm just honestly not going to be that concerned this early in the season with a team that is struggling overall for production and an unpredictable coach

if he goes the entire year like this, i'll be concerned, but i'm not at the moment

then I guess Balej does not suck. Again, point to a top six forward NHLer who has had a rut like this at this stage of his career...in the AHL. I hope the coaches and staff are seriously concerned. Either the guy's just floating, which is never good, or he's just not that good, and it is possible. It was only two seasons ago in which Balej tallied 20 points in 50+ games. Granted he was young and he broke out last season, but Daniel Goneau once scored 10 goals in 41 NHL games (it was actually more like 10 goals in 30 games) when he was about 21, and where is he?

I'll remain seriously concerned (and if you think the competition is affecting him, than he's playing even worse than I thought).

You can't point to other measures like the coach, and others struggling for production, but Balej should be a leader. Giroux' scoring goals. Weller has six to his three! Lampman has five; Betts has five; Moore is putting up points; Wiseman's doing only OK, but better than Balej; and even Hollweg, on the fourth line, has found the back of the net four times.

Not saying this is it for Josef, but it is cause for concern and he needs to seriously snap out of it. These games counts. This isn't practice.

no he doesn't suck (though i'll throw in the qualifier "yet")

I'm not gonna sit here and say "oh everything's fine, he's perfect" or something...but from all accounts from people who watch pack games and from what I've seen, he is playing hard...but he's not putting home the chances like he has in the past. It looks to me to be more of a slump than a complete sign of suckage. again, if he doesn't break out of it and this continues, yes i will become more and more concerned. but it wasn't *that* long ago he started the season with a nice point streak and got the packs first 3-point night of the year...

i guess i'm just saying give it some time...yes i'm frustrated with his lack of scoring, i guess i'd say yes i *am* concerned on some level...I'm just not extremely concerned yet and don't feel this is extremely indicative of his future success at the moment.

he has a 31 goal season and we think he's a goal scorer. Prior to that and after that he plays hard, drives to the net, but seems to have hard luck and reality is he's not a 30 goal scorer, and probably not even a 20 goal scorer. I hope Balej just works out, but he's fallen a lot on my charts.

he has a 31 goal season and we think he's a goal scorer. Prior to that and after that he plays hard, drives to the net, but seems to have hard luck and reality is he's not a 30 goal scorer, and probably not even a 20 goal scorer. I hope Balej just works out, but he's fallen a lot on my charts.


Balej is in a slump like every player gets. When Kovalev was here, he was in a slump for a bit then broke out. I feel Balej is one of those players who is a streaky goal scorer. He will either be not scoring goals for a bit then all of the sudden he will break out with the goals. Patience is the key.

Kovalev didn't slump in the AHL. There's a difference in a guy who scored 20 goals or more 6 times in his NHL career slumping in the NHL and a guy who's had one good AHL season slipping in the AHL and calling him a top 6 NHL forward.

I totally agree Fletch. This is definately a concern for Balej as well as Lundmark.

For a player who plays a one dimensional game to be successful at the NHL level, then he'd better do that dimension pretty darn good. I'm beginning to feel that Balej may not fit into future plans. For a defense first team he'd better be a quality offensive player or he's not going to log much ice time. I'm not saying all hope is lost, but I think your overlooking potentially major problems if you think this isn't a reason to be concerned.

As for Lundmark, I'm pretty much done with the kid. Enough is enough. It's about time for that dreaded 'bust' tag. He doesn't seem like he'll ever find his game as a top 6 forward. He certainly doesn't give me anything that makes me want to keep him around on the NHL team or even take time away from other prospects on the AHL team. Unless he really starts to turn it around, then I dump the kid this summer for a pick if possible, or put him on waivers.

On a positive note, I love the play of Lampman this year. I think you can plug him in on the 3rd pairing whenever hockey starts up again. He may actually prove to be a quality 2nd pairing defenseman eventually. Probably at least a nice 3rd pairing guy who can step up, and play solid hockey if necesssary if there is an injury.

but he looks small on the ice (looks can be deceiving). It would be interesting to see if he can handle an 82-game schedule. A ten-game schedule, yes, but 82 games is pretty grueling.

On Balej and Lundmark...I'm not done with them yet, although at this point, neither deserve to be treated better than Giroux, Wiseman, Moore and others, sadly enough.

On Balej and Lundmark...I'm not done with them yet, although at this point, neither deserve to be treated better than Giroux, Wiseman, Moore and others, sadly enough.

I'm def not done with Balej, but in all honesty I'm very close to being done with Lundmark... hopefully he proves me wrong.

From what I've seen of Balej, I just dont think he's going to be a dominant top liner in this league. That being said, he could be a very solid second liner, maybe like Dvorak or another speedster with out the greatest hands.

I dont believe we have many, if any, prospects with superstar potential. That is fine with me. We have depth at most positions, and If most of these guys turn out to be decent supporting players, the Rangers shouldn't have a problem (depending on teh CBA) going out and getting those 2-3 stars to put us over the top. The homegrown supporting cast is exactly what we've been missing.

i dont' think balej was ever projected to be a top liner...

as for lampman, dunno, he hasn't looked small to me...he's not a big presence out there but i haven't seen him get manhandeled or anything. he's listed at like 6'1 190-200 lbs, which is pretty average

i dont' think balej was ever projected to be a top liner...

as for lampman, dunno, he hasn't looked small to me...he's not a big presence out there but i haven't seen him get manhandeled or anything. he's listed at like 6'1 190-200 lbs, which is pretty average

Yea, I dont see him as small, but not particularly big either. I'd say a very good #5 who could play very steady on the 2nd pairing if there is an injury or something.

I'd say a very good #5 who could play very steady on the 2nd pairing if there is an injury or something.

yeah that sounds about right...though i think he could end up being a journeyman defenseman...a guy that's good enough that teams want him, would like him in a trade, but that can get bumped by other players and prospects coming in.

you look at guys on the rangers like liffiton and taylor, and they kind of bring a little something that lampman doesn't...a speciality or a skill that he doesn't. lampman seems more of just a solid all around guy...players like liffiton and taylor (who would probably be competing for that 3rd pairing spot) bring a nasty edge and physical game that lampman doesn't. so, if they prove to be good enough for 3rd pairing, they could concievably bump lampman from the lineup. (just kind of speculating in general, forcasting into the future and all...coming up with an example)

yeah that sounds about right...though i think he could end up being a journeyman defenseman...a guy that's good enough that teams want him, would like him in a trade, but that can get bumped by other players and prospects coming in.

you look at guys on the rangers like liffiton and taylor, and they kind of bring a little something that lampman doesn't...a speciality or a skill that he doesn't. lampman seems more of just a solid all around guy...players like liffiton and taylor (who would probably be competing for that 3rd pairing spot) bring a nasty edge and physical game that lampman doesn't. so, if they prove to be good enough for 3rd pairing, they could concievably bump lampman from the lineup. (just kind of speculating in general, forcasting into the future and all...coming up with an example)


Lampman reminds me of a guy like Sylvain Lefebvre or Richard Matvichuk type. Good defensivly and not real flashy.

Bryce just doen't have the size and strength of a Lefebvre or a Matvichuk.

that's my concern...at times, he looks like Mike Mottau out there.

that's my concern...at times, he looks like Mike Mottau out there.


hahaha ur insane. Mottau sucks. Lampman at least plays defense and hits.

hahaha ur insane. Mottau sucks. Lampman at least plays defense and hits.

Mike definitely struggled in his NHL appearances, but we used to have a poster here named "Adam" that attended every single 'Pack game before moving away from Hartford. He always reported to us that Mottau was consistently their best d-man at the time, particularly on defense. Ron Low might not have known how to use him, but John Paddock did.

they seem to have similar size, and skate a similar way. Mottau also played pretty well in his few NHL games, I believe alongside Leetch. I like Lampman, but need to see more of him, pesonally.

i also know a lot of pack fans who hated mottau...