Official MLB Mock Draft Thread

I have stolen the job as commish from Pizzapie, hopefully she wont mind :)

I will try to update this as much as I can.

ROUND 1!

1.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Vlad Guerrero
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Albert Pujols
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Alex Rodriguez.
4.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Manny Ramirez
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Carlos Beltran
6.Blue Jays (ATG) - Ichiro Suzuki
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Miguel Tejada
8.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Johan Santana
9.Indians (FOTS) - Ben Sheets
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Scott Rolen
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Adrian Beltre
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Mark Prior
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Randy Johnson
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Miguel Cabrera

Round 2!

1.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Oliver Perez
2.Tigers (Winger98) - Curt Schilling
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Roy Oswalt
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Jason Schmidt
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Kerry Wood
6.Indians (FOTS) - Bobby Abreu
7.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Todd Helton
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Tim Hudson
9.Blue Jays (Alex the Great) - Roy Halladay
10.Phillies (Stanley) - Jim Thome
11.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Pedro Martinez
12.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Alfonso Soriano
13.Athletics (Tuggy) - Eric Chavez
14.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Ivan Rodriguez

Round 3!

1.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Mark Mulder
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Bartolo Colon
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Barry Zito
4.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - David Ortiz
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Mike Mussina
6.Blue Jays (Alex. T. Great) - Eric Gagne
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Carlos Zambrano
8.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Rich Harden
9.Indians (FOTS) - Victor Martinez
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Vernon Wells
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Carlos Delgado
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Hank Blalock
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Mariano Rivera
14.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) [from White Sox] - Jim Edmonds

Round 4!

1.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Mark Texiera
2.Tigers (Winger98) - Brad Radke
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - C.C. Sabathia
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Jake Peavy
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Josh Beckett
6.Indians (FOTS) - Roger Clemens
7.White Sox (Calgary Devil) [from Red Sox] - Freddy Garcia
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Mark Buehrle
9.Blue Jays (Alexander Da Great) - Greg Maddux
10.Phillies (stanley) - Bret Boone - Boone traded to Athletics (Tuggy)
11.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Livan Hernandez
12.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Magglio Ordonez
13.Indians (FOTS) [from Athletics] - Jake Westbrooke
14.Indians (FOTS) [from Nationals] - Travis Hafner

Round 5!

1.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Carl Pavano
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Dontrelle Willis
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Matt Morris
4.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Francisco Rodriguez
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Bronson Arroyo
6.Blue Jays (Alexandre the Grizzzeat) - Derek Jeter
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Brad Lidge
8.White Sox (Calgary Devil) [from Red Sox] - Michael Young
9.Athletics (Tuggy) [from Indians] - Lance Berkman
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Sammy Sosa
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Melvin Mora
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Marcus Giles
13.Tigers (Winger98) - J.D. Drew
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Torii Hunter


Round 6!

1.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) [from White Sox] - Adam Dunn
2.Tigers (Winger98) - Gary Sheffield
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Nomar Garciaparra
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Chris Carpenter
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Keith Foulke
6.Athletics (Tuggy) [from Indians] - Hideki Matsui
7.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Johnny Damon
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Jorge Posada
9.Blue Jays (Alex Great) - Chipper Jones
10.Phillies (Stanley) - Billy Wagner
11.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Andy Pettite
12.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Javier Vazquez
13.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) [from Indians] - Edgar Renteria
14.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Jason Isringhausen

Round 7!

1.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Andruw Jones
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Bobby Crosby
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Joe Mauer
4.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) [from Angels] - Joe Nathan
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Chase Utley
6.Blue Jays (Alex The Great One) - Steve Finley
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Aubrey Huff
8.Angels (Hercules Rockefellar) [from Red Sox] - Luis Gonzales
9.Indians (FOTS) - Aramis Ramirez
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Richie Sexson
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Sean Casey
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Guillermo Mota
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Javy Lopez
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Kris Benson

Round 8!

1.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Johnny Estrada
2.Tigers (Winger98) - Carlos Guillen
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Carlos Lee
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Jason Kendall
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Jason Varitek
6.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) [from Indians] - Matt Clement
7Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) [from Red Sox] - Orlando Cabrera
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Paul Konerko
9.Blue Jays (The Great Alexander) - Mike Piazza
10.Phillies (Stanley) - Moises Alou
11.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) [from Angels] - Mike Lowell
12.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Octavio Dotel
13.Athletics (Tuggy) - Kelvim Escobar
14.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Shawn Green

Round 9!

1.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) [from Nationals] - Mark Loretta
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Trevor Hoffman
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Russ Ortiz
4.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Ken Griffey Jr.
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Trot Nixon
6.Blue Jays ((Shaun)Alexander (is) the Great(est) (runningback) (on) (the) (seahawks)) - Ted Lilly
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Mark Kotsay
8.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Odalis Perez
9.Indians (FOTS) - Jimmy Rollins
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Danny Kolb
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - David Wells
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Rocco Baldelli
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Luis Castillo
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Francisco Cordero

Round 10!

1.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Carl Crawford
2.Tigers (Winger98) - Juan Pierre
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Paul LoDuca
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Armando Benitez
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Eric Milton
6.Indians (FOTS) - Jose Mesa
7.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Rafeal Furcal
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Erubrial Durazo
9.Blue Jays (THE ATG) - Jeff Kent
10.Phillies (Stanley) - Khalil Greene
11.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Benji Molina
12.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Zack Greinke
13.Athletics (Tuggy) - Jose Guillen
14.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Mike Hampton

Round 11!

1.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Jose Vidro
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Al Leiter
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Derrek Lee
4.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) [from Angels] - Corey Patterson
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Doug Davis
6.Blue Jays (Alexander the Greater) - Jeff Bagwell
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Brian Giles
8.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) [from Red Sox] - Corey Koskie
9.Indians (FOTS) - Wade Miller
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Jeremy Bonderman
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Aaron Rowand
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Prince Fielder
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Brad Wilkerson
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - A.J. Burnett

Round 12!

1.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - David Wright
2.Tigers (Winger98) - John Smoltz
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Danny Graves
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Tom Gordon
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Craig Wilson
6.Indians (FOTS) - Lew Ford
7.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - BJ Ryan
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Scot Sheilds
9.Blue Jays (Alexander the Greatest) - Troy Percival
10.Phillies (Stanley) - Kiko Calero
11.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Jarred Washburn
12.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) [from Cardinals] - Ugueth Urbina
13.Athletics (Tuggy) - Jorge Julio
14.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Danny Baez

Round 13!

1.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Shannon Stewart
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Juan Uribe
3.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) [from Cardinals] - Chone Figgins
4.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Troy Glaus
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Akinori Otsuka
6.Blue Jays (Alexander the Greater than you) - Garret Anderson
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Jeff Weaver
8.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) [from Red Sox] - Jason Marquis
9.Indians (FOTS) - Yhency Brazoban
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Jack Wilson
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Jaret Wright
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Tony Armas Jr.
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Dimitri Young
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Jason Bay

Round 14!

1.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Damaso Marte
2.Tigers (Winger98) - Bill Mueller
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Adam Eaton
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Larry Walker
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Jeff Suppan
6.Indians (FOTS) - Noah Lowry
7.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Brad Penny
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Milton Bradley
9.Blue Jays (Alexandre is the Greatest guy ever I tell ya) - Eddie Guardado
10.Phillies (Stanley) - Joe Blanton
11.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) [from Angels] - Kazuo Matsui
12.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Randy Winn
13.Athletics (Tuggy) - Mike Liebrethal
14.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Frank Thomas

Round 15!

1.Nationals (Monster_Bertuzzi) - Jason Fraser
2.Athletics (Tuggy) - David Bush
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Jeromy Burnitz
4.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Scott Kazmir
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Dallas MacPherson
6.Blue Jays ((The) Alexander (I) (know) (is) (not) the Great (guy) (you) (make) (him) (out) (to) (be)) - Derek Lowe
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Brendan Donnelly
8.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Mike Cameron
9.Indians (FOTS) - Coco Crisp
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Orlando Hudson
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Juan Rincon
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Darin Erstad
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Mike Maroth
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Jose Reyes


Round 16!

1.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Jerome Williams
2.Tigers (Winger98) - LaTroy Hawkins
3.Marlins (Islandnucker) - Brett Myers
4.Mariners (BAuldie) - Cesar Izturis
5.Expos (Roughneck) - Casey Blake
6.Indians (FOTS) - Steve Kline
7.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Scott Linebrink
8.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Brandon Webb
9.Blue Jays ((Really,) (He's)Alexander the Great) - Phil Nevin
10.Phillies (Stanley) - Michael Barrett
11.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Justin Morneau
12.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Joe Borowski
13.Phillies (stanley) [from Athletics] - Nick Swisher

Round 17!

2.Athletics (Tuggy) - Julian Tavarez
3.Cardinals (HokEGoalie) - Ray King
4.Angels (Hercules Rockefeller) - Paul Quantrill
5.Phillies (Stanley) - Jon Leiber
6.Blue Jays (ATG) - Kenny Rogers
7.Dodgers (Dr. Love) - Placido Polanco
8.Red Sox (Ironchef Chris Wok) - Brian Schneider
9.Indians (FOTS) - Ben Broussard
10.Expos (Roughneck) - Chris Reitsma
11.Mariners (BAuldie) - Tony Womack
12.Marlins (Islandnucker) -
13.Tigers (Winger98) - Kyle Farnsworth
14.White Sox (Calgary Devil) - Luis Ayala


Supplemental Picks...
1.Indians (FOTS) - Ryan Freel
2.Red Sox (ICW) - Tomo Ohka

Team Format will be...
C
1B
2B
SS
3B
OF
OF
OF
DH

SP
SP
SP
SP
SP
RP
RP
RP


Relievers can only be relievers.

Take note - I ask the person selecting to PM the next selector. If I do not see a selection within 12 hours of the last pick, I will also PM the next selector. The 24 hour rule IS in effect, if you pass up on your pick in 24 hours, you will be skipped, because you will be given at LEAST one notice that you are up.

Have fun :)

Players taken by position.

C:
Pudge Rodriguez
Victor Martinez
Jorge Posada
Joe Mauer
Javy Lopez
Jason Kendall
Johnny Estrada
Jason Varitek
Mike Piazza
Paul LoDuca
Benji Molina
Mike Liebrethal
Michael Barrett
Brian Schneider

1B:
Albert Pujols
Todd Helton
Jim Thome
David Ortiz
Carlos Delgado
Mark Texiera
Travis Hafner
Richie Sexson
Sean Casey
Paul Konerko
Shawn Green
Erubrial Durazo
Derrek Lee
Jeff Bagwell
Prince Fielder
Brad Wilkerson
Dimitri Young
Frank Thomas
Darin Erstad
Phil Nevin
Justin Morneau.
Ben Broussard

2B:
Alfonso Soriano
Bret Boone
Marcus Giles
Chase Utley
Mark Loretta
Luis Castillo
Jeff Kent
Jose Vidro
Juan Uribe
Chone Figgins
Orlando Hudson
Jose Reyes
Placido Polanco
Tony Womack

3B:
Alex Rodriquez
Scott Rolen
Adrian Beltre
Eric Chavez
Hank Blalock
Chipper Jones.
Aubrey Huff
Aramis Ramirez
Mike Lowell
Corey Koskie
David Wright
Troy Glaus
Bill Mueller
Dallas MacPherson
Casey Blake

SS:
Alex Rodriguez
Miguel Tejada
Derek Jeter
Michael Young
Nomar Garciaparra
Bobby Crosby
Edgar Renteria
Carlos Guillen
Orlando Cabrera
Jimmy Rollins
Rafeal Furcal
Khalil Greene
Jack Wilson
Kaz Matsui
Jose Reyes
Cesar Izturis

OF:
Vlad Guerrero
Ichiro Suzuki
Carlos Beltran
Manny Ramirez
Barry Bonds (ineligable)
Miguel Cabrera
Bobby Abreu
Vernon Wells
Jim Edmonds
Magglio Ordonez
Sammy Sosa
Lance Berkman
Melvin Mora
J.D. Drew
Torii Hunter
Adam Dunn
Gary Sheffield
Johnny Damon
Chipper Jones
Hideki Matsui
Andruw Jones
Steve Finley
Luis Gonzales
Carlos Lee
Moises Alou
Shawn Green
Ken Griffey Jr.
Mark Kotsay
Rocco Baldelli
Carl Crawford
Juan Pierre
Corey Patterson
Aaron Rowand
Brian Giles
Lew Ford
Craig Wilson
Garret Anderson
Shannon Stewart
Jason Bay
Larry Walker
Randy Winn
Milton Bradley
Jeromy Burnitz
Mike Cameron
Coco Crisp
Nick Swisher

SP:
Johan Santana
Ben Sheets
Mark Prior
Randy Johnson
Oliver Perez
Roy Oswalt
Jason Schmidt
Kerry Wood
Tim Hudson
Roy Halladay
Pedro Martinez
Mark Mulder
Bartolo Colon
Barry Zito
Mike Mussina
Carlos Zambrano
Rich Harden
Brad Radke
Curt Schilling
C.C. Sabathia
Jake Peavy
Josh Beckett
Roger Clemens
Mark Buehrle
Freddy Garcia
Greg Maddux
Livan Hernandez
Jake Westbrooke
Carl Pavano
Matt Morris
Dontrelle Willis
Bronson Arroyo
Chris Carpenter
Andy Pettite
Javier Vazquez
Kris Benson
Matt Clement
Kelvim Escobar
Russ Ortiz
Ted Lilly
Odalis Perez
David Wells
Eric Milton
Zack Greinke
Mike Hampton
Al Leiter
Doug Davis
Wade Miller
Jeremy Bonderman
AJ Burnett
John Smoltz
Jarred Washburn
Jeff Weaver
Jason Marquis
Jaret Wright
Tony Armas Jr.
Adam Eaton
Noah Lowry
Jeff Suppan
Brad Penny
Joe Blanton
David Bush
Scott Kazmir
Derek Lowe
Jerome Williams
Brett Myers
Brandon Webb
Jon Leiber
Kenny Rogers
Chris Reitsma

RP:
Eric Gagne
Mariano Rivera
Francisco Rodriguez
Brad Lidge
Keith Foulke
Billy Wagner
Jason Isringhausen
Joe Nathan
Guillermo Mota
Octavio Dotel
Trevor Hoffman
Dan Kolb
Francisco Cordero
Jose Mesa
Armando Benitez
John Smoltz
Tom Gordon
Danny Graves
BJ Ryan
Scot Shields
Troy Percival
Kiko Calero
Ugueth Urbina
Jorge Julio
Danny Baez
Okinari Otsuka
Yhency Brazoban
Damaso Marte
Eddie Guardado
Jason Fraser
Juan Rincon
Brendan Donnelly
Mike Maroth
LaTroy Hawkins
Steve Kline
Scott Linebrink
Joe Borowski
Julian Tavarez
Ray King
Paul Quantrill
Luis Ayala
Kyle Farnsworth

Dodgers select SS Miguel Tejada.

Btw, I propose we drag this thing out so everybody has a full 25 man roster. See who can pick better bench players.
no, because we'll be doing this forever otherwise. the thing is already practically dead. It has to show it can go on that long first. That being said, the Indians start things off by going off the board a little, but take Ben Sheets.

Hardly "off the board."

He was only top 10 in VORP last year.And an All Star, 2nd in strikeouts, 2nd in complete games, 3rd in ERA.

Hardly "off the board."

He was only top 10 in VORP last year.
yeah, but for a first rounder it is a little bit risky, but I sure as hell regretted taking Pudge over him in the last draft haha.

This is similar to the last draft.

This is similar to the last draft.
In that no one is making their selections until 23.5hrs, if they do?

In that no one is making their selections until 23.5hrs, if they do?
in that we let floaters and lurkers join. We need to have a post count limit for these things. I say a hard limit at 6 thousand and at least 10 posts/day.

in that we let floaters and lurkers join. We need to have a post count limit for these things. I say a hard limit at 6 thousand and at least 10 posts/day.

Meh...true. I wasnt the one who set it all up, I just tried to rekindle the flame. It was all Pizzapie, Blame Pizzapie!!!!

Okay, the Expos select 3B Scott Rolen

in that we let floaters and lurkers join. We need to have a post count limit for these things. I say a hard limit at 6 thousand and at least 10 posts/day.


10 posts a day or 6000 total...wow...so that limits the draft to....20 people?? Of which....4 may be interested in?

in that we let floaters and lurkers join. We need to have a post count limit for these things. I say a hard limit at 6 thousand and at least 10 posts/day.
Come on now man, I have been in every MLB Draft since I joined and been with it all the way, I don't have those numbers, any of them.

Come on now man, I have been in every MLB Draft since I joined and been with it all the way, I don't have those numbers, any of them.
yeah, we could make special exceptions, its just frustrating watching draft after draft die.

yeah, we could make special exceptions, its just frustrating watching draft after draft die.

Well, this one wasnt really that organized from the start...

Well, this one wasnt really that organized from the start...
true, no baseball draft has ever come close to being finished. Closest one was the all time draft.

Come on now man, I have been in every MLB Draft since I joined and been with it all the way, I don't have those numbers, any of them.

yeah, same here and neither do I. The only draft that really went well was the first all-time baseball draft.

true, no baseball draft has ever come close to being finished. Closest one was the all time draft.

Damn, I really need to read further down on these things before I post...

I think the baseball drafts get bogged down because when you start getting into the bullpens and 5th starters, it can get quite a bit more "stat intensive." And baseball has an obscene amount of stats. This one was really stillborn, though.

It doesn't mean we have to give up on it, just make sure you PM the person who is to pick after you.

It doesn't mean we have to give up on it, just make sure you PM the person who is to pick after you.

I think I've PM'd every single pick after me...and one before me too...

well it is Friday after all.. anyways.. Mariners select 3B Adrian Beltre

well it is Friday after all.. anyways.. Mariners select 3B Adrian Beltre

It's been insanely slow all week.

Well the Marlins will take SP Mark Prior.

Last year will look like a blip on his career record, I hope.

Age be damned, the Tigers take SP, Randy Johnson

2 In two hours...I like that!

2 In two hours...I like that!

And both of us have less than 6,000 posts and post less than 10 per day. Not bad for a couple of lurkers, eh?

White Sox take OF Miguel Cabrera and SP Oliver Perez........

And both of us have less than 6,000 posts and post less than 10 per day. Not bad for a couple of lurkers, eh?
hey, I wasn't trying to put you guys down, it's just that things were moving slow and I really like it to be moving, and I wanted a system that gaurenteed people would be on.

hey, I wasn't trying to put you guys down, it's just that things were moving slow and I really like it to be moving, and I wanted a system that gaurenteed people would be on.

I know, I was just bustin' your chops a bit. The best guarantee, though, is just keeping the number of drafters low, imo.

The Detroit Tigers, contemplating a name change to the Golden Oldies, take SP, Curt Schilling

Well I'm going with another pitcher and taking SP Roy Oswalt. I was able to get him last draft a little further in, but it's nice to have him now.

The only problem with Oswalt and Prior, injuries.

Slow and steady...

P Jason Schmidt

SP Kerry Wood

Could he be better than Prior? I think so! :D

*rubs eyes*

2 picks in two minutes....

*pinches arm*

SP Kerry Wood

Could he be better than Prior? I think so! :D
My Grandma could be a better pitcher then Kerry Wood could be!

My Grandma could be a better pitcher then Kerry Wood could be!

just because your grandma has a strong arm from servicing her clients doesn't mean she can throw a curve.

OF Bobby Abreu

Dodgers select (a possible real life Dodger) Tim Hudson.

Stupid contract and hitting on the mountain aside, I'll take Todd Helton.

He's gonna hit a ridiculous number of doubles at Fenway.Factoring in park effects would be interesting. And would rock in the geekiest way possible. Now, if I didn't have Chavez Ravine on my side, I might not be saying that...

I know this is really "anti-Stats", but I think "Helton's swing would be great for Fenway"

God that was so anecdotal and so lacked data evidence I feel dirty.Don't. You can easily back it up. He hits it to the gaps with ease, and he can take advantage of the low fences on the right side. He'd be great in Fenway.

Unfortunately, his doubles to the opposite field gap might turn into singles with the giant wall. Oh well, you take the good with the bad.
True. But you get that with everybody. Besides, it's not the top end players you take that make your team... it's the supporting cast. (I don't think Sabean knows that).

Helton is like the best parts of Millar/Minky blended into one, but with even more OBP goodness!
I wasn't aware Millar had good parts.

just because your grandma has a strong arm from servicing her clients doesn't mean she can throw a curve.
You must know how my Granny treats the boys then???
Here cookies are good though.

Blue Jays select SP Roy "Doc" Halladay

Damned...we were doing so good yesterday too :(

Damned...we were doing so good yesterday too :(
wow, this thing has just come to a standstill again. Bad time to do it, though, too. Finals week for everyone is right around now and everything; time is being squashed for a fair number of us. Frustrating though.

24 hours is up though for the last pick.. it should be skipped for now

If HR wants to make a pick, he can.

Angels select their Ace in Pedro Martinez!

Angels select their Ace in Pedro Martinez!
crap I forgot all about him. I could have had Sheets AND Pedro. That would be a killer 1-2.

I motion that anybody that doesn't pick within 72 hours is automatically fired.

If Pizzapie misses two picks, she will be removed and I will figure out a way to raffle off Beltran or he will just be...Pete Rose'd from this draft.

If Pizzapie misses two picks, she will be removed and I will figure out a way to raffle off Beltran or he will just be...Pete Rose'd from this draft.
well, you should give somebody esle the option of trading their first or second round pick for him.

well, you should give somebody esle the option of trading their first or second round pick for him.


that's a good idea. Whoever they "trade" can then go back into the draft for someone else to pick. If someone is willing to give up something of such substance, it's fair that player goes up for grabs for everyone else.

well, you should give somebody esle the option of trading their first or second round pick for him.

Under no circumstance would it be a 2nd round pick. If someone did choose to give up a first round pick, then we'd be in the same situation with the player they gave up needing to be auctioned off again. I was thinking more along the lines of forfeiting the person's next two picks, then having them get the last two picks of the draft to make up for it. Then again, there still could be issues, we'll see.

Under no circumstance would it be a 2nd round pick. If someone did choose to give up a first round pick, then we'd be in the same situation with the player they gave up needing to be auctioned off again. I was thinking more along the lines of forfeiting the person's next two picks, then having them get the last two picks of the draft to make up for it. Then again, there still could be issues, we'll see.

Or you could just find somebody to take over the team and let them make the 2 skipped picks right away.

Or you could just find somebody to take over the team and let them make the 2 skipped picks right away.

We could do that, but who other than us reads this thread to take PPZ's team??

I gave her an extra bit of time...so....

Cardinals select 2B Alfonso Soriano

Sorry guys,I had a huge paper to do.

Ok,for my second pick,I shall take pitcher Johan Santana

*tell me if he's already been taken

Sorry guys,I had a huge paper to do.

Ok,for my second pick,I shall take pitcher Johan Santana

*tell me if he's already been taken

Yes. The list of taken players is right after the draft board...

Yes. The list of taken players is right after the draft board...

ok,scratch Santana.....

I'll take Jim Thome instead

Note: Tuggy can make a selection at 12:45 AM ET if in the hall does not select a player(he was on earlier, I don't know why he didnt pick then...), he does not have to wait 24 hours after PPZ's pick.

U R SMRT! :lol

no i'm not,babe.

The A's select:

Eric Chavez, 3B

m_b's PM box is full but he is up

Nationals select Ivan Rodriguez and Mark Mulder.

Damn I knew I should have picked Mulder first :banghead: , but I still need a pitcher so...I'll go with a horse who can give me a ton of innings.

The A's select:

Bartolo Colon, SP

Cardinals Select Barry Zito.

Furthermore, In the hall has been removed. He has missed two rounds. I sent him a message last night and he was online earlier this morning.


Also, Barry Bonds has been BANNED from the Official HF MLB Mock Draft for steroid use. (noone will get him :) )

He missed two rounds. On top of that, I sent him a message AND saw him online earlier AND he posted (in this here, "other sports" forum) too.


12-15-2004 MLB Draft.
12:48 AM in the hall

^^ my private message.

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=2232018#post2232018

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=2234838#post2234838

In the hall posting TWICE since that message, 11 hours apart. Had he not been online, I would have been a bit more lenient.

MOTHER!@#$.

Chavez is my boy :D

He missed two rounds. On top of that, I sent him a message AND saw him online earlier AND he posted (in this here, "other sports" forum) too.


12-15-2004 MLB Draft.
12:48 AM in the hall

^^ my private message.

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=2232018#post2232018

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=2234838#post2234838

In the hall posting TWICE since that message, 11 hours apart. Had he not been online, I would have been a bit more lenient.
I'm glad you were able to take a hint, frankly I think this draft is terrible. It is too large and I am disapointed no one sent me a private message when it was time to make my second pick. Good luck finding someone to take my spot.

Annnnddddd in case there was any dispute about removing in the hall...

Re: You have been removed from the MLB Mock Draft.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokEGoalie
You missed two rounds, after recieving a message from me notifying you of your pick. You were also online since that message, sorry.

I don't give a *****. That draft is ran horribly - too large - and will die soon and no you are wrong. I only received one message which was sent by you yesterday which I chose to ignore.

His response to my PM.

Annnnddddd in case there was any dispute about removing in the hall...

Re: You have been removed from the MLB Mock Draft.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokEGoalie
You missed two rounds, after recieving a message from me notifying you of your pick. You were also online since that message, sorry.

I don't give a *****. That draft is ran horribly - too large - and will die soon and no you are wrong. I only received one message which was sent by you yesterday which I chose to ignore.

His response to my PM.
Yes it was sent in private for a reason. It's amazing how many people here would fail in business.

I am angry with you because, 1. you sent me the private message yesterday. After seeing all the BS you did afterwards, you can go screw yourself as far as I'm concerned since you're only trying to look good in front of everyone.

Yes it was sent in private for a reason. It's amazing how many people here would fail in business.

I am angry with you because, 1. you sent me the private message yesterday. After seeing all the BS you did afterwards, you can go screw yourself as far as I'm concerned since you're only trying to look good in front of everyone.

Yea, im gonna fail in business because I am running a mock draft board on Hockey's Future :(.

...Also, you are angry at me for sending you a private message reminding you of your pick??? Forgive me for trying to keep this thing rolling. Please explain, trying to look good in front of everyone?? I sent you a private message telling you of your pick, as you said, you ignored it. Yea, im realllly trying hard to impress people :(.

Yea, im gonna fail in business because I am running a mock draft board on Hockey's Future :(.

...Also, you are angry at me for sending you a private message reminding you of your pick??? Forgive me for trying to keep this thing rolling. Please explain, trying to look good in front of everyone?? I sent you a private message telling you of your pick, as you said, you ignored it. Yea, im realllly trying hard to impress people :(.
I said you would fail in business and probably everything else because you don't properly understand what private means, it's amazing because concepts this simple should not be difficult to understand.

You sent me a private message yesterday, supposedly my pick had been on hold for 3 days, you claim I missed 2 rounds and that I was notified both times which was incorrect. I missed two rounds in one day, how is that possible - you're full of it.

You're trying to make yourself look good by posting my harsh private message making me look bad only to help your decision. My message was obviously not intended for everyone to see and believe me you are not impressing anyone.

I said you would fail in business and probably everything else because you don't properly understand what private means, it's amazing because concepts this simple should not be difficult to understand.

You sent me a private message yesterday, supposedly my pick had been on hold for 3 days, you claim I missed 2 rounds and that I was notified both times which was incorrect. I missed two rounds in one day, how is that possible - you're full of it.

Third, you're attempting to make yourself look good by posting my harsh private message making me look bad which it should obviously but again it was not intended for anyone else to see and believe me you are not impressing anyone.

A. I posted that PM because it concerned the draft(ers), as Iron Chef Wok semi-questioned my call.

B. You missed two selections, not rounds, my mistake. Don't think I am pointing you out specifically for this, I also said if PPZ missed two selections, she would be removed. Furthermore, she wasnt even ONLINE when she missed her picks, you WERE.

C. You said it yourself, YOUR harsh private message. You act like it was fake or something. I posted it because the draft should know how you feel about it. Is it fair of you to make them wait 24 hours because you think this league is run poorly?

I'm glad you were able to take a hint, frankly I think this draft is terrible. It is too large and I am disapointed no one sent me a private message when it was time to make my second pick. Good luck finding someone to take my spot.
You're disappointed that someone didn't send you a message? Maybe you would fail in business for lack of initiative, some crap needs to be aired when people need their cracks wiped for them.

And, while I'm on it, why kind of childish move is to not tell anyone that you're not being in it? No one would put anything past you if you just posted in the thread or PM'ed someone saying that you didn't want to be in the thread. You could say your reason in it or not, but instead you leave people hanging. I'm sure we could care less if you're gone, it would have been nice to have you for you're knowledge, but now it just doesn't matter.

You're disappointed that someone didn't send you a message? Maybe you would fail in business for lack of initiative, some crap needs to be aired when people need their cracks wiped for them.

The best part is I DID send him a message telling him of his pick. I made my selection at 12:46 AM and sent the PM at 12:48.

:joker: inthehall, it's funny you show up after you got booted out of the draft but when it's time for your pick you are nowhere to be found.

Angels bring in DH David Ortiz!

Angels bring in DH David Ortiz!


I'm going to list him as a 1B. When we're all said and done, you can list him at 1B or DH.

I'm going to list him as a 1B. When we're all said and done, you can list him at 1B or DH.

So are we picking DH's? Its not on the main page.. I didn't take him because I didn't want his crappy defense at first.

So are we picking DH's? Its not on the main page.. I didn't take him because I didn't want his crappy defense at first.

Yea, It was mentioned in the other thread IIRC, that each team would get a DH. I'll post the team format now.

If you can't take the initiative of checking the thread, I don't know what you're doing. It's not like you weren't online for 24 hours with other stuff.

You were HERE and didn't bother CLICKING. Shows real commitment there.

AND I DID send him a message. TWO minutes after I made my selection. VISUAL proof of this...

http://www.hfboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4638&stc=1

If you can't take the initiative of checking the thread, I don't know what you're doing. It's not like you weren't online for 24 hours with other stuff.

You were HERE and didn't bother CLICKING. Shows real commitment there.

Explain to me why there is a system of sending private messages after making the picks. In a forum where there are thousands of threads, people will not bother checking in everyday just to see if it's there turn to draft. As for me being online for 24 hours, do you think my life revolves around these forums? I have been on maybe 2 - 3 times this past week. The only reason I am on now is to follow up on the responses and I probably would have not come on yesterday had I never been messaged. My last post prior to that was on the 11th.

I was here yesterday, I did bother to click but since you misunderstood what I said - I did not care to continue with this draft and made the decision then. You can criticize me all you want for my supposed lack of commitment but with that said I did complete a 3 month draft, and went as far as the previous baseball draft went, so I can just as easily argue for my commitment. I chose not to participate here because I was displeased with this, respect that.

:joker: inthehall, it's funny you show up after you got booted out of the draft but when it's time for your pick you are nowhere to be found.
Actually, as the person had pointed out, I showed up before getting kicked and chose not to do anything that was requested.

You're disappointed that someone didn't send you a message? Maybe you would fail in business for lack of initiative, some crap needs to be aired when people need their cracks wiped for them.

And, while I'm on it, why kind of childish move is to not tell anyone that you're not being in it? No one would put anything past you if you just posted in the thread or PM'ed someone saying that you didn't want to be in the thread. You could say your reason in it or not, but instead you leave people hanging. I'm sure we could care less if you're gone, it would have been nice to have you for you're knowledge, but now it just doesn't matter.
You lack certain logic: this is a draft don't think I am going interrupt my normal routine to accommodate this. Secondly, there is a system of private messaging which most people rely on to keep this thing going. I relied on that and no one came through and next time you want talk about others failing, make sure you are successful at something first.

I apologize to everyone for my anal approach but like I said I was angry and gave the reason for it. It may seem stupid to you but it was enough to get me mad and we all react certain ways to that. More fuel was added by Hoke's decision to make my private message public, we all know what his intentions are. There is nothing wrong with booting me because I should've been and again admittingly ignored the draft so I really intended on this happening. Anyway no more time or energy needs to be wasted on this just continue enjoying it.

ok,give me Mike Mussina

You lack certain logic: this is a draft don't think I am going interrupt my normal routine to accommodate this. Secondly, there is a system of private messaging which most people rely on to keep this thing going. I relied on that and no one came through and next time you want talk about others failing, make sure you are successful at something first.
I apologize to everyone for my anal approach but like I said I was angry and gave the reason for it. It may seem stupid to you but it was enough to get me mad and we all react certain ways to that. More fuel was added by Hoke's decision to make my private message public, we all know what his intentions are. There is nothing wrong with booting me because I should've been and again admittingly ignored the draft so I really intended on this happening. Anyway no more time or energy needs to be wasted on this just continue enjoying it.
There is one more thing that needs to be said. As per always with the internet there has been someone that has become all high and mighty. Of course being in New York you can tell wether or not I have had success where does that come from? I'm on the other side of the continent dude, but the magic ball must work wonders for you.

Again, because you didn't have somone wiping your rear, it is our fault..........
Dude if that's how you think things in life should go (because you have now made this a discussion of life by bringing in the successful B.S.) be prepared to be dissapointed. But someone with "success", like you I guess, sure had it lucky if you didn't have to do anything for yourself.

There is one more thing that needs to be said. As per always with the internet there has been someone that has become all high and mighty. Of course being in New York you can tell wether or not I have had success where does that come from? I'm on the other side of the continent dude, but the magic ball must work wonders for you.

Again, because you didn't have somone wiping your rear, it is our fault..........
Dude if that's how you think things in life should go (because you have now made this a discussion of life by bringing in the successful B.S.) be prepared to be dissapointed. But someone with "success", like you I guess, sure had it lucky if you didn't have to do anything for yourself.
You missed the point and don't be so bitter.

Secondly, there is a system of private messaging which most people rely on to keep this thing going. I relied on that and no one came through

I only received one message which was sent by you yesterday which I chose to ignore.

Ummmm so you didnt recieve a PM...but you did...OOOOOOOOOOOK cowboy.


More fuel was added by Hoke's decision to make my private message public, we all know what his intentions are.

Oh? We all know my intentions?? You've even baffled me on "my intentions". What can I say...you caught me. I'm out to get you.

Toronto Blue Jays select SP Barry Zito

Toronto Blue Jays select SP Barry Zito

Try again :)

No offense, I think you're doing a fantastic job here, but this is SO STUPID.

We can't even define "closer". What is a closer? A guy that has more than 10 saves? (Saves being a really krappy way of evaluating pitchers)

1) Somebody might try that "closer by committee" krap :banghead:
2) One man's setup man may be another man's premier closer. :banghead:
3) Have you read Moneyball? Some teams might try to take set-up men and "create" closers.
4) Of course, there's always the Jamesian hypothesis that a team's best pitcher should be used in high leverage situations such as 7th and 8th innings with runners on base, not the traditional "3 outs with a 3 run lead" "Save."

Take that rule out man. Just let people do whatever the hell they want with their bullpen, as long as they have 6 pitchers.

I won't go as far as letting starters become relievers, because some starters simply will refuse to do so, and other times it usually becomes a diaster (Thanks Esteban Loazia!) (Swingmen like ByunHyun Kim 2003 will probably be OK for all roles)
I don't want to give away names, but does this mean somebody couldn't use Urbina as a closer?

4) Of course, there's always the Jamesian hypothesis that a team's best pitcher should be used in high leverage situations such as 7th and 8th innings with runners on base, not the traditional "3 outs with a 3 run lead" "Save."
That's the way I would do it if I were running a team. "Closer" is the most overrated 'postition' in sports.

The Blue Jays select Eric Gagne. :lol Sorry about the Zito screw up don't know how I missed it

I'm not into the whole "closer by committee" thing, because I do believe in having one bullpen "closer". However, I wouldn't use him the way they are used now, getting 3 outs. I would actually use him to get 4-5 outs, and have him come in in the 8th instead of the 9th.
The closer by committe got a bad image last year because they didn't use the right pitchers, and it was only ONE YEAR. I would have a guy designated as my '9th inning guy'... but I wouldn't pay him more than my best reliever, and wouldn't shop for a 'proven closer.' My best 2 relievers would be 2 inning guys, actually ideally my best reliever would be a 2 inning closer. I would kill to have Mike Marshall as my reliever for example. The idea of the 3 out, 50 inning a year closer is absurd and a waste of talent and money.

I'm a big LOOGY guy, so I'll use a LOOGY and another middle relief/set up guy to get through the 7th and get to my "closer", but my closer is going to be used for more than 3 outs. And if somehow my team scores 8 billion runs in the 9th, I can save my closer and bring in my mop-up guy and get him some work to keep him in game shape, or bring in a young rookie as a part of his "development", to get him some game experience.
I HATE the LOOGY. Waste of roster space. The platoon adavantage of an extra position player is roughly 20X greater than the platoon advantage of a LOOGY. I want my relievers to ideally pitch 1 inning per outing minimum.

Dodgers select P Carlos Zambrano.

It's not the LOOGY position that's the problem. It's just at times teams have TERRIBLE LOOGY's that can't get teh job done. When he gets the job done, it's HUGE. When he doesn't, everybody looks like tools. Just look at the playoffs this season. When Matsui hit that homer off Myers, Myers just looked like a complete fool. He couldn't get that ONE OUT. BUt when Myers struck out Matsui and left, he gave the team a HUGE lift, not to mention a HUGE OUT, and that guy wouldnt' come up again for 8 batters.

If I were in the NL, I'd have a roster spot for GBOGUY. "Get Barry Out Guy."

Edit: I know it's my turn to pick, but it's midnight, I'm kinda tired, so I'm goign to have a shower an ponder my pick.
That's the thing. Most of the LOOGYs are terrible. And useless against hitters from the other side of the plate. So why bother having them on the team. If my relievers can't be effective (not good, just effective) from both sides, then I don't want them on my team. I realize that narrows the pool, but I'll take that trade off over having a roster space used for a guy who will see one, maybe two batters a game 25 times a year. And I realize that I am in a minority in this. But you don't win if you don't take chances, and people who do the status quo don't win either.

I actually think of using my relievers as a "platoon" if you will. Get a Lefty that's very effective on lefties but useless on righties, and get a righty that's vice versa. Even though they take 2 roster spots, they'll probably end up being cheaper than getting one super reliever. And those guys can probably get you 4 outs a game.Not if you have drafted and developed that good two way reliever. Then you can use that other roster spot elsewhere.

Sometimes I take plain lefty relievers (not LOOGY's) and use them AS LOOGYs, but I increase their frequency in use. So you know there can be this great lefty reliever I've got, but instead of using him for 3 outs a game say 60 times a year, I'll use him for 1-2 outs a game for 90 or 100.That's fine. And that's not a LOOGY to me. A LOOGY is just what the name says--Left handed One Out Only Guy. A guy like Jesse Orosco in his later centuries. Using a good lefty to get one guy out when you know you're not going to use him for the next two innings, that's fine. I just wouldn't carry a guy who's stat line will reads 60 GP, 27 IP. That's a waste of money and roster space.

We have different philosophies for bullpen usage. But we are similar in that we are all flexible in terms of usage, and will adapt for strategy changes and game situations.
Agreed.

I think we'd make a terrific managing team :yo:
I don't know. I might drive you nuts with some of things I would do.

Take that rule out man. Just let people do whatever the hell they want with their bullpen, as long as they have 6 pitchers.

Should I just drop the closer position all together in the lineups?? Just leave it at 5 SP/3 RP and let people draft as many "closers" as they want? That sounds fine, as long as the others agree(which I think they will)

Should I just drop the closer position all together in the lineups?? Just leave it at 5 SP/3 RP and let people draft as many "closers" as they want? That sounds fine, as long as the others agree(which I think they will)
When you consider how many closers in baseball today were failed starters or middle relievers first, and weren't brought up as closers, then I don't see any reason why you can't take any reliever as a closer.

When you consider how many closers in baseball today were failed starters or middle relievers first, and weren't brought up as closers, then I don't see any reason why you can't take any reliever as a closer.

Shrug, my initial thought was, I didnt want a team with a 3 closer bullpen and having a couple people stuck with the Jose Jimenez' of the league as their closer. Don't know why I thought that...

Shrug, my initial thought was, I didnt want a team with a 3 closer bullpen and having a couple people stuck with the Jose Jimenez' of the league as their closer. Don't know why I thought that...
Yeah, I thought about that after I wrote my post. Maybe something like a 2 closer maximum? You can still get more than one, but people don't get screwed? I don't know. I think it's something that should be voted on.

We dont' even have a clear "definition" as what a "closer" is.

Just have relievers as a general group. If Gm's choose not to draft relievers until late and end up with Curtis Leskanic as their closer, too damn bad.
Yeah, you know, what, on second thought, screw it. I was trying to prevent some whining, but so what.

The Red Sox are proud to pick the best of "The Next Big 3", the pride of Victoria B.C., right hander Rich Harden.

You SOB :mad:

The Cleveland Indians are proud to select the top young catcher in baseball, Victor Martinez.

The Cleveland Indians are proud to select the top young catcher in baseball, Victor Martinez.

OOOOHHHHHHHHH...(I kinda saw it coming from FOTS, not this early though).

OOOOHHHHHHHHH...(I kinda saw it coming from FOTS, not this early though).

Ya I think it is kind of early aswell...

OOOOHHHHHHHHH...(I kinda saw it coming from FOTS, not this early though).
well, I didn't want to take him this early, but I remember seeing Martinez go much higher than I thought he would in the last draft, and another year or two like last and this guy goes in the first round.

well, I didn't want to take him this early, but I remember seeing Martinez go much higher than I thought he would in the last draft, and another year or two like last and this guy goes in the first round.

Very true. However, Baseball is a game of numbers. While Martinez put up amazing stuff last year, what's to stop him from being Brady Anderson(not making these claims)? Potential is the one thing that KILLS drafts of hockey and baseball players. On one end, Victor could go on to be a 40/120 guy EVERY year and be the next Hall of Fame catcher. On the otherhand, he could go and slide into a rut, lose confidence and never be the same player.

Very true. However, Baseball is a game of numbers. While Martinez put up amazing stuff last year, what's to stop him from being Brady Anderson(not making these claims)? Potential is the one thing that KILLS drafts of hockey and baseball players. On one end, Victor could go on to be a 40/120 guy EVERY year and be the next Hall of Fame catcher. On the otherhand, he could go and slide into a rut, lose confidence and never be the same player.
He put up real good numbers in the minors, in the categories that accurately predict if a player can make it or not long term. Good OBP, SLG, doesn't strikeout a lot. Could draw a few more walks, but for a catcher he's a legit top young player.

He put up real good numbers in the minors, in the categories that accurately predict if a player can make it or not long term. Good OBP, SLG, doesn't strikeout a lot. Could draw a few more walks, but for a catcher he's a legit top young player.

Oh no, im not saying he's not a good young catcher. I've heard about him for a while before last season. I just dont agree with the motion of selecting players after they have one good season in baseball. Especially when they are that young. If we were to debate teams at the end of the draft, FOTS can hypothetically say that Martinez has the potential to be better than Pudge. Hell, I'll take a flyer on a player better than Pudge, but its just soooooo early to tell.

Oh no, im not saying he's not a good young catcher. I've heard about him for a while before last season. I just dont agree with the motion of selecting players after they have one good season in baseball. Especially when they are that young. If we were to debate teams at the end of the draft, FOTS can hypothetically say that Martinez has the potential to be better than Pudge. Hell, I'll take a flyer on a player better than Pudge, but its just soooooo early to tell.
A fair point. One that I agree with. But considering how few truly good catchers there are, it's not a reach to take a catcher this early.

Oh no, im not saying he's not a good young catcher. I've heard about him for a while before last season. I just dont agree with the motion of selecting players after they have one good season in baseball. Especially when they are that young. If we were to debate teams at the end of the draft, FOTS can hypothetically say that Martinez has the potential to be better than Pudge. Hell, I'll take a flyer on a player better than Pudge, but its just soooooo early to tell.
Why didn't jump on anybody for taking Beltre or Cabrera ;)

Why didn't jump on anybody for taking Beltre or Cabrera ;)

I couldnt decide if I wanted to take Cabrera myself or not ;)

Victor Martinez was DEFINITLY my top choice for a catcher, but I wasn't going to take him this early, considering ONE other catcher has been taken.

I mean, pitchers are selling faster than [Ok, never mind, the last time I made a Paris Hilton reference Gee Wally almost banned me]

Thing is that a catcher doesn't have to have the sexy numbers to be valuable, though. It's nice to pull some offense from them, but it's not a make or break issue if they are good at their job behind the plate.

um, hellooooooooooooooooo in here?!? Can anybody heeeeaaarrr me? Where be thar next pick?

um, hellooooooooooooooooo in here?!? Can anybody heeeeaaarrr me? Where be thar next pick?


Ehhhhh It's "only" been 8 hours.

Btw, how about let's add a rule change:

All GM's must post in this thread ONCE at least every 24 hours to let us know they're still "here", a daily "reporting in" thing. At least discuss picks or something.

Ehhhh, I dont think thats necessary. HFs got its activity detector and if people choose to stay hidden, you can still check their latest post. If they choose to miss picks...it's their fault and possible removal.

The Montreal Expos select OF Vernon Wells

had a sub-par hitting year, but was a great player nonetheless.

Along the same lines as the Wells pick.. Seattle selects 1B Carlos Delgado

2 picks in an hour!! Whoooo gotta keep that funk alive.

The Marlins choose young 3rd baseman Hank Blalock

In my continuing efforts to provide my Tigers team with something the real Tigers lack (dominance on the mound), Detroit takes, rp, Mariano Rivera

In my continuing efforts to provide my Tigers team with something the real Tigers lack (dominance on the mound), Detroit takes, rp, Mariano Rivera
they already have a preier closer ;)

they already have a preier closer ;)

:p: but my team will put him to good use

I like this pick..
Thanks. I got him in the last draft, I think, and it's nice having a good quality 3rd baseman. I guess it's nice having quality everywhere......

Is it alright for me to move Delgado to DH if I wanted to? He has spent time there recently due to bad knees (I don't want to at this moment but I may if the opportunity arises)

Is it alright for me to move Delgado to DH if I wanted to? He has spent time there recently due to bad knees (I don't want to at this moment but I may if the opportunity arises)

Yes. Anyone can play DH. It's not a designated position. Adds a little more sizzle to the draft if a guy wanted to raid the house and take Rolen at 3B and Chavez at DH.

Rivera 6 outs a game: good use.
Rivera 3 outs a game: A waste of money.

Disagree to an extent. It doesn't matter what Rivera is paid if he does his job, and the only reason he is paid what he is, is because he's done that job very well for a long time. Whether that job is to get three outs, or six, he's done it, and he's worth every penny for doing it.

Also, I don't think you can measure a player like Rivera or Gagne's worth in numbers alone. They deliver the goods and through their reliability and dominance, they inspire confidence in their teammates and fester a lack of confidence in their opposition. I know you're a numbers man, but the intangibles that players of that ilk bring are immeasurable and Rivera is one of those players with those intangibles, imo.

Disagree to an extent. It doesn't matter what Rivera is paid if he does his job, and the only reason he is paid what he is, is because he's done that job very well for a long time. Whether that job is to get three outs, or six, he's done it, and he's worth every penny for doing it.
And if he did it for 2 innings a game, he'd be even more deserving of his money. Imagine what guys like Mike Marshall (my personal favorite), Phil Regan, Bruce Sutter, etc would be paid today. Paying a guy 6-9 million a year for 50 innings of work is a waste of money.

And if he did it for 2 innings a game, he'd be even more deserving of his money. Imagine what guys like Mike Marshall (my personal favorite), Phil Regan, Bruce Sutter, etc would be paid today. Paying a guy 6-9 million a year for 50 innings of work is a waste of money.

I don't know, I have a feeling that if the Braves could now go back and pay a Mariano Rivera-esque player $6-9 million to close all of their games throughout the 90s, they'd be willing to do it (and maybe grab a couple more world series titles while they're at it).

I don't know, I have a feeling that if the Braves could now go back and pay a Mariano Rivera-esque player $6-9 million to close all of their games throughout the 90s, they'd be willing to do it (and maybe grab a couple more world series titles while they're at it).

True but what has having a dominant closer the last couple of years done for them now? Jack and squat.. even with Smoltz closing they still find ways to consistently lose in the playoffs without winning it all. The odds are pretty good that if you improved one area of the team that they would've found a way to win a couple more WS since they made the playoffs every year.

True but what has having a dominant closer the last couple of years done for them now? Jack and squat.. even with Smoltz closing they still find ways to consistently lose in the playoffs without winning it all. The odds are pretty good that if you improved one area of the team that they would've found a way to win a couple more WS since they made the playoffs every year.

But to get that dominant closer, they had to steal from their rotation their dominant postseason starter. They robbed peter to pay paul.

For another example, let's take Cleveland. If they would have had the same success rate as the Yankees (since we're talking about Rivera), the Indians could have tacked on another 14-15 wins (they would have converted 46.8 of their save chances instead of the 32 they did convert). They pick up those extra 14 wins, they make the playoffs.

Is making the playoffs worth that extra $6-9 million to a team like Cleveland? maybe, maybe not.

But is that extra $6-9 million worth it to a team like the Yankees who know they'll be fighting for a World Series nearly every season? I think it would be.

But to get that dominant closer, they had to steal from their rotation their dominant postseason starter. They robbed peter to pay paul.
Not really. Smoltz was coming off an injury, hadn't played at all in 2000. Peter wasn't there to be robbed. And their rotation wasn't a problem. They had Glavine, Maddox, and Millwood 2000 and 2001, and Burkett pitched great for them.

Also, how many WS winners over the past ten seasons lacked a very good-premier closer?

03 Marlins-Urbina
02 Angels- Percival
01 Diamondbacks-Kim
00 Yankees-Rivera
99 Yankees-Rivera
98 Yankees-Rivera
97 Marlins-Nenn
96 Yankees-Wetteland
95 Braves- Wohlers
93 Jays-Ward
92 Jays-Henke

3-Kim, Wohlers and Ward? and with Ward, he had pitched for years as the setup man to Henke, so I'm not sure it'd be fair to call him a flash in the pan or a bad closer. He was more a victim of circumstance than anything else.

Also, how many WS winners over the past ten seasons lacked a very good-premier closer?

03 Marlins-Urbina
02 Angels- Percival
01 Diamondbacks-Kim
00 Yankees-Rivera
99 Yankees-Rivera
98 Yankees-Rivera
97 Marlins-Nenn
96 Yankees-Wetteland
95 Braves- Wohlers
93 Jays-Ward
92 Jays-Henke

3-Kim, Wohlers and Ward? and with Ward, he had pitched for years as the setup man to Henke, so I'm not sure it'd be fair to call him a flash in the pan or a bad closer. He was more a victim of circumstance than anything else.
How many of them were truly key in winning the games though? Some of those guys only really had to save a game. Some of them were key. You can put just about any reliever in the closer spot and they'll succeed. Keep in mind the idea of a 3 out closer is only about 15 years old. It had been used before then, but here and there.

Anyways.. Calgary Devil's time should be pretty much up

Not really. Smoltz was coming off an injury, hadn't played at all in 2000. Peter wasn't there to be robbed. And their rotation wasn't a problem. They had Glavine, Maddox, and Millwood 2000 and 2001, and Burkett pitched great for them.

and the three years after that? Smoltz has wanted to be a starter from day one, and even with Glavine and Maddox around, he was still their best postseason starter, imo (my way of saying I'm too lazy to look up some stats I don't have right on hand at the moment ;) ).

How many of them were truly key in winning the games though? Some of those guys only really had to save a game. Some of them were key. You can put just about any reliever in the closer spot and they'll succeed. Keep in mind the idea of a 3 out closer is only about 15 years old. It had been used before then, but here and there.

It's something I might look up sometime, but I couldn't tell you off the top of my head how often they were used. I'm also trying to think of the earliest instance of a closer being clearly instrument to a team's success and the fartest back I can go is Willie Hernandez and the '84 Tigers. There may have been teams/closers before that, but that's the earliest I can think of that would fit today's definition.

I think you're selling the closer position a bit short, though. If it was an easy position to fill, I don't think we'd see teams blowing 30+ saves a season, nor have save success rates that vary from the mid-50% range to the mid-80% range.

Plus, I still think there is an intangible side to this. Take Armando Benitez for example. He's put up some good save numbers throughout his career and can simply bring it to the plate. But I'm not sure he's ever been considered an "elite" closer. He just has never inspired the same feelings that a Rivera or Gagne does and you sometimes have to pay a bit extra for the guy with those intangibles.

And I agree with Bauldie...where is Calgary Devil? Or are we giving passes for the weekends?

and the three years after that? Smoltz has wanted to be a starter from day one, and even with Glavine and Maddox around, he was still their best postseason starter, imo (my way of saying I'm too lazy to look up some stats I don't have right on hand at the moment ;) ).
The three years after that they won their division and in 2002 and 2003 gave up only 6 more runs total than they scored.

I think you're selling the closer position a bit short, though. If it was an easy position to fill, I don't think we'd see teams blowing 30+ saves a season, nor have save success rates that vary from the mid-50% range to the mid-80% range.
Look at the players blowing these saves though. They're either washed up or not very good to begin with. Now look at guys like K-Rod, Lidge, and Cordero who were middle relievers first.

Calgary Devil has not picked because we have a trade to announce:

My 4th and 5th round picks have been traded to Calgary Devil for his 3rd and 6th round picks.

I will pick with that pick once Calgary Devil posts to confirm this trade.
that's essentially the same deal I proposed to you and you said you'd never part with the 6th.

No the deal I proposed to you was different.
because it was your 3rd and 6th for my 4th and 5th. Wait, you wouldn't part witht he 6th, that's what killed the deal.

It's probably not a good idea to discuss such things out in the open.

It's probably not a good idea to discuss such things out in the open.
well the deal is dead, it can't resurface.

Winger can make a pick.

Winger can make a pick.

Well there was a trade so is that what should happen.. alls I know is this is dragging right now..

I'm supposed to get the next pick because i traded up with Calgary Devil..

I could reveal my PM if you find it appropriate and he doens't come online.

I don't want to lose my trading up priviliges because Calgary Devil didn't confirm the trade. I'm sure he doesn't mind revailing that PM.

I'd REALLY prefer it to be posted by both agreeing parties...

either way Calgary Devil had to make the next pick so why he hasn't checked in is beyond me

Sorry for the hold up.....I was out all day....that trade can be confirmed.......

Btw.. just to clarify the trade for you HOKE...

I just received the last pick of the 3rd round. I will also receive the 1st pick of the 6th round (Calgary Devil).

CD will receive my next pick in the 4th round and 5th round.

Just trying ot make your life easier.

Yea, I understood it. It's just a pain, because now I need to expand the board to the 6th round to make the trade :x.

Please review the board to make sure it is correct.

White Sox take 1B Mark Teixeira....

White Sox take 1B Mark Teixeira....

sigh

Just curious what exactly we are basing this draft off of.. is it what would happen next year or what?

Just curious what exactly we are basing this draft off of.. is it what would happen next year or what?

Naw, its more or less just something for people to do, then (if we choose to) vote on who has the best team, based on careers, potential, intangibles, etc.

White Sox take 1B Mark Teixeira....
didn't you trade that pick to me? swap of 4ths and swap of 5ths?

There was an unannounced TRADE?

OH great this is NOT going to end in a giant clusterf!@#. OF course not. No. That would never happen here.
well I pm'd him to propose it, and then i went out and when I came back he accepted it and now he has picked. I'm :dunno:

He probably thought he was on the clock and ran out of time to trade the pick or something.

i'm sure it wasn't "intentional."
probably, but I thought I made a move of genious :cry:

well I pm'd him to propose it, and then i went out and when I came back he accepted it and now he has picked. I'm :dunno:

Trades will not be announced until a memo is passed to the podium ;)

The Tigers continue to load up the mound, SP, Brad Radke

btw, Curt Schilling needs to be added to the taken list.

The Tigers continue to load up the mound, SP, Brad Radke

btw, Curt Schilling needs to be added to the taken list.
OMG he's been taken?!?! That's why I wanted to move up because I thought he was still available and couldn't believe it.

OMG he's been taken?!?! That's why I wanted to move up because I thought he was still available and couldn't believe it.

I personally thought he was still available too. Guess I missed that one, sorry folks.

OMG he's been taken?!?! That's why I wanted to move up because I thought he was still available and couldn't believe it.

Yeah, I was surprised Radke lasted this long, too ;)

Ditto.

meh :dunno: He is no Tanyon Strutze

That Esteban Loaiza guy is pretty nifty too.

shhh, you don't want to give away all the sleepers picks ;)

Well despite the urge to take one of Tanyon Sturtze or Esteban Loazia (Todd Van Poppel came to mind too) I have decided to go with another starting pitcher C.C. Sabathia.

It was hard to do pass up a hitter but I'm a firm believer in good pitching beats good hitting.

I was going to take him next...but you were before me anyway...so I dont know...

Well I'll have to go with the guy who led the majors in ERA SP Jake Peavy.

He was 5th in the league in terms of VORP (4th if you don't count Barry)(I also have the number 2 guy), and he had the 2nd best defensive win shares in the NL in the outfield.

I personally think my picks have been fairly justifiable lol

What is VORP? You are constantly speaking of this, but I am left in the dark :(

I just have to ask...

HAd I not moved up, would Edmonds have fallen to me?

He was off my map the moment I took Rivera. It was either go two position players with my picks and even my board, or go for making my pitching rock solid. Like HokEGoalie, figure you win with pitching.

He was off my map the moment I took Rivera. It was either go two position players with my picks and even my board, or go for making my pitching rock solid. Like HokEGoalie, figure you win with pitching.

Wasn't me :). The long ball is sexier than the shutout :).

The shutout is sexier than the longball. The groundball however, is less sexy than the strikeout.

Btw, VORP = Value of Replacement Player. Just something rookie statheads use when evaluating players. It's not the greatest, as it doesn't evaluate defense and is a CUMULATIVE stat, it's a nice supplement to just conventional OBP and SLG rate stats.

I think intelligent non-Saber fans don't need VORP anyway. Fans are smarter than saber people like to admit. A good instinct about players and a few basic stats are all they need.


Yea....wayyyy too complex for me to understand :(

(btw, I think I got tooled on the Edmond's pick. he was -24 UZR last yaer... Sigh. He was +9 and +8 the previuos 2 years though.)

UZR? :cry:

Whatever happened to the gold ole' days of HR and RBI?


:banghead:

Wasn't me :). The long ball is sexier than the shutout :).

damn, it wasn't? well, I agree with someone who likes pitching.

Well despite the urge to take one of Tanyon Sturtze or Esteban Loazia (Todd Van Poppel came to mind too) I have decided to go with another starting pitcher C.C. Sabathia.

It was hard to do pass up a hitter but I'm a firm believer in good pitching beats good hitting.
1 player off my list

How old is he anyway?
IP H/9 BB/9 K/9 HR/9 ERA VORP
188.0 8.4 3.4 6.7 1.0 4.12 40.2

Above League Average... so his value would really be contract and age dependent.
Ya the age was the big thing in picking him, he is 24. The stats went up a little from the last couple of years so I'm backing on at least those ones from him. Being behind Prior and Oswalt, he hopefully (in our make believe world) wouldn't have as much pressure.

damn, it wasn't? well, I agree with someone who likes pitching.
I know I was the last one to say it

Well the three pitchers I wanted to take were taken with the last three picks, which is slightly annoying I guess.

So instead, the Expos take SP Josh Beckett with the hope that last year was just a "sophomore" slump.

before my pick, I have a question. Is Clemens eligable for the draft? If that is the Case the Indians Select 7 time cy young winner and thus far steal of the draft Roger Clemens.

I see no problem with it. He hasn't offically retired, and he did accept arbitration. If he does offically retire, then FOTS gets burned. His risk.

I like control pitching. Strikeouts, heat, and "stuff" is awesome, but to me that's just a bonus. I don't like pitchers that walk a lot of guys. I like the guys that throw strikes and have the ball put in play. Walks drive me nuts, especially when I'm standing in 35 degree celcius sun in left field sweating like crazy. They put 7 guys behind the pitcher for a reason.

Ironically, the two pitchers I've picked are all strikeout pitchers that can be walk-prone at times.

I lean towards fireballers, but I'm really happy as long as a pitcher comes after a hitter and, like you said, throws strikes. Dancing around the edges and putting yourself behind in a count is counterproductive, imo. Have faith in your stuff and put it somewhere over the plate. When you figure the best hitters get a hit just 30% of the time, the odds are in your favor that you'll either get it by them or they're going to hit it at someone.

I see no problem with it. He hasn't offically retired, and he did accept arbitration. If he does offically retire, then FOTS gets burned. His risk.
if he's back I get one hell of a deal.

I like control pitchers that work the corners, change speeds, and throw strikes. Get some ground balls, get your teammates involved, and be a PITCHER and not a "thrower".

That's why I loved Maddux and Glavnie in their prime. What they did was an ART, combining athleticism and intellectualism. They're still pretty good at it today.
They also both got hammered in the playoffs. Strikeout pitchers like Schilling rule in the playoffs. Mind you we have a control pitcher in D-Low and he had an outstanding postseason

Derek had control this season? I wasn't aware of this. I probably never got the memo.

Man, during stretches of the season he couldn't find the strike zone with a map.
well, he didn't have much, but his classification is a control guy.

Calgary Devil has missed his pick so Dr. Love is on the clock. PM has been sent

Dodgers select SP Mark Buehrle.

Dodgers select SP Mark Buehrle.
you forgot Contreras is still available didn't you

you forgot Contreras is still available didn't you
Haha. Buehrle is underrated, he's a big time inning eater, only 25, doesn't walk a lot of batters, not a big strikeout pitcher but it's pretty much table scraps left in terms of starters, and he's the best of the bunch.

Haha. Buehrle is underrated, he's a big time inning eater, only 25, doesn't walk a lot of batters, not a big strikeout pitcher but it's pretty much table scraps left in terms of starters, and he's the best of the bunch.
oh no I think he's a good pick, very underrated.

sorry guys.....i figured i might miss my pick with me being at work all day. i was thinking of actually taking burhele but i'll take freddy garcia instead.

sorry guys.....i figured i might miss my pick with me being at work all day. i was thinking of actually taking burhele but i'll take freddy garcia instead.
good pick. in fact when Dr. Love took the white sox ace who's name nobody can spell I was thinking Garcia was a better pick.

Toronto selects Greg Maddux

when you get here pizzapie check your pm's.

we have a trade to announce. Tuggy has traded his 4th rounder to me in exchange for my 5th rounder and an exchange of 6th rounders. I have now rescinded all current offers I have on the table, including that to Pizzapie.

we have a trade to announce. Tuggy has traded his 4th rounder to me in exchange for my 5th rounder and an exchange of 6th rounders. I have now rescinded all current offers I have on the table, including that to Pizzapie.

Confirmed.

Please check board to make sure it is correct.

Please check board to make sure it is correct.
correct

we have another trade to announce.


I have traded my 6th rounder and 8th rounder to Monster_Bertuzzi for his 4th rounder.

...This means you will not have enough picks to finish the draft.






And monster_bertuzzi gets hosed...

Actually, I assume we just get picks at the end of everything to "supplement" the picks we traded away to move up. The "25th ruodn pick" if you will.
we could call it the Billy Beane rule.

...This means you will not have enough picks to finish the draft.

I don't think you should comment publically about trades.

...This means you will not have enough picks to finish the draft.






And monster_bertuzzi gets hosed...

Not really. Keep in mind that I pick back-to-back so later in the draft I will have 3 picks in a row.

I don't think you should comment publically about trades.

Why not??? I'm not commenting, I'm stating facts. 2 for 1 means you wont have enough to finish...now we need to add a supplement pick rule...

PIzza is dragging her feet again...

Always seems to be her too :(

Is Pizza's time up, or are we 'gon wait a while, yet?

8:59 is when her time is up.

Wow,I feel so popular,3 PM's at once.

Ok,I'll take Aaron Boone

Angels select SP Livan Hernandez!

Why not??? I'm not commenting, I'm stating facts. 2 for 1 means you wont have enough to finish...now we need to add a supplement pick rule...
oh well, that supplemental pick is going to be at the end of the draft so its not like I'm getting some sort of advantage.

Cardinals select Magglio Ordonez

Clear your PMs people.

Indians are proud to select two of their own.


Starting pitcher Jake Westbrook and Pronk.

Also I think we should as pizzapie if she meant bret boone because I don't think she meant to take Aaron.

Can I get an alternate name for Mr. Pronk? Because I am not familiar...

Can I get an alternate name for Mr. Pronk? Because I am not familiar...
you mean you don't know the half project half donkey? Travis Hafner.

Ahhhh Hafner...wasnt aware of his nicknames...

Nationals select Carl Pavano

Indians are proud to select two of their own.


Starting pitcher Jake Westbrook and Pronk.

Also I think we should as pizzapie if she meant bret boone because I don't think she meant to take Aaron.

I think I did mean Bret,I had too much to drink last night

I think I did mean Bret,I had too much to drink last night
Bret sucks just as much now. His Gold Glove this year might be the worst GG selection (other than Palmiero's in '99).

Bret sucks just as much now. His Gold Glove this year might be the worst GG selection (other than Palmiero's in '99).
its not that Aaron sucks but nobody would take him this high or maybe even at all.

The Athletics select:

Dontrelle Willis, SP

Cardinals select Matt Morris

The Anaheim Angels select RP Francisco Rodriguez!

I figured he wasn't getting to me.
wasn't even on my list, because most of the top closers will be gone when i go for relief pitching. Mind you there is one closer I would like, and if he drops I'll take him, but I'm not counting on it. BTW, when it comes to baseball, your my favorite poster.

Alexander can pick now. PPZ hasnt cleared her PM box, oh well.

Blue Jays select Derek Jeter

Dr. Love may select.

Sorry,just cleaned them now.

Sorry,just cleaned them now.

You are still up...

Ok,I pick leftfielder Barry Bonds

Ok,I pick leftfielder Barry Bonds

He's ineligable...

He's ineligable...

oops. I'll take Bronson Arroyo

Note(in case this isnt clear): If 24 hours passes, the selector(s) after that person can select any time they want. Also, if the delayed selector makes a selection, after one person jumped ahead of them, the person AFTER the one who selected ahead of the delayed selector, will get 24 hours AFTER the delayed selectors pick.

Example:

Two people selected after PPZs time expired. PPZ then picked, Now Dr. Love has 24 hours as of 2:23 PM to make a selection, instead of 12:52 PM when the selector ahead of him picked.

Thoughts?

No. ;)

My explanation is, its a terrible Idea. Those who have the better teams, Cardinals, Phillies, Red Sox, get the pick of the better crop of players than say the Nationals, Tigers and Indians.

I wasn't aware the Phillies had a good team
Also, from the impression I get around here, the Indians are World Beaters.

Btw, I just went over the team list, no team really blows monkey chunks, and there is plenty of talent on those teams.

Did you also notice there are both the Nationals and the Expos?

Theres a difference between getting a Pat Burrell, Randy Wolf, Johnny Damon supplemental pick over say a...ummmm Endy Chavez, Brad Wilkerson, Coco Crisp. Wouldnt you agree?

1. Coco Crisp is AWESOME!


2. I did not notice there are both Nationals and Expos. SO i'll just shut up now.
As is Wilkerson. Also, I'd be more than game for that rule. Also, before my last 2 picks I only had one current Indian on the list, and I believe there is at the most 1 more, but that's also contingency if other higher ranked players at the position go first.

Dodgers select P Brad Lidge.

White Sox take another Texas Ranger, SS Mike Young

The Athletics select:

Lance Berkman, OF

The Expos select OF Sammy Sosa

Dodgers select P Brad Lidge.
there goes the owner relief pitcher on my list.

I'll make my pick in a bit.. just waiting on what ICCW has to say.

Seattle selects Melvin Mora and I request he be posted as an OF.. he has played the majority of his career up until last season in the outfield.

The Athletics select:

Lance Berkman, OF
Damn man, I was praying and hoping on him.

Haha you too eh?

Edit: I just PM'd you. talk to me.
obviously i would have liked him, but i knew he wouldn't drop, so I didn't consider him. also im drunk

Marlins select 2B Marcus Giles. I didn't realize he was still 26 so that was a bit of a surprise.

The Tigers take of, JD Drew

White Sox take OF Torii Hu