All-Time Team [Archive]

Bring Back Bucky

11-09-2004, 07:48 PM

If you had to put together in an all-time team to put in a hockey game, what would it be?

Ted Lindsay Wayne Gretzky Mike Bossy
Bobby Hull Phil Esposito Gordie Howe
Bob Gainey Brian Trottier Jari Kurri
Luc Robitaille Steve Yzerman Guy Lafleur

Eddie Shore Bobby Orr
Ray Bourque Larry Robinson
Doug Harvey Paul Coffey

Grant Fuhr
Ken Dryden

Nobody beats this team... ;)

KOVALEV10*

11-09-2004, 07:51 PM

Mario Lemieux Wayne Gretzky Gordie Howe
Guy Lafleur Jean Beliveau Rocket Richard
Bobby Hull Mark Messier Mike Bossy
Bob Gainey Guy Carbonneau ???

Bobby Orr Doug Harvey
Paul Coffee Denis Potvin
Ray Bouque Larry Robinson

Patrick Roy
Terry Sawchuk
Jacques Plante
Dominik Hasek (ALA 1998-1999)

Coaches:

Toe Blake
Scotty Bowman

John Flyers Fan

11-09-2004, 08:49 PM

KOVALEV10*

11-09-2004, 09:09 PM

I won't use any players that I didn't witness playing.

Messier - Gretzky - Kurri
Shanahan - Lemieux - Jagr
Krutov - Yzerman - Makarov
Lindros - Clarke - Bossy

Orr - Chelios
Potvin - Bourque
Lidstrom - Coffey

Hasek
Parent

How could you choose Shanahan, Jagr, Lindros and Clarke and not Guy Lafleur?

John Flyers Fan

11-09-2004, 09:13 PM

How could you choose Shanahan, Jagr, Lindros and Clarke and not Guy Lafleur?

I'm trying to win the game and I want

Kurri to play with Gretzky
Jagr to play with Lemieux

I want a physical winger to play with Lemieux-Jagr.

Clarke - I want a defensively aware, great penalty killer, great face-off man that can also be a great playmaker.

Lindros - need some more size, to go along with Messier & Shanahan.

I didn't pick the 20 prettiest players. I thought about winning a game.

KOVALEV10*

11-09-2004, 09:38 PM

Not to disrespect you nor your opinion but if you have seen Lafleur you would know that he was the go to guy and in key situations always scored or made the play which lead to the canadiens winning. Did you forget the famous goal Lafleur scored with 1 minute remaining in the stanley cup final where Boston was leading 3-2 and then Montreal won. What about in 1977 when Lafleur assisted in both Jacques Lemaire goals in the winning game? Not to mention he had 6 straight 50 goal seasons and 6 straight 120+ point seasons, 3 straight hart and art ross trophies, a conn smythe trophie and you think its not good enough to win a game much less help win a game? :shakehead

mazmin

11-09-2004, 09:41 PM

Ted Lindsay Wayne Gretzky Mike Bossy
Bobby Hull Phil Esposito Gordie Howe
Bob Gainey Brian Trottier Jari Kurri
Luc Robitaille Steve Yzerman Guy Lafleur

Eddie Shore Bobby Orr
Ray Bourque Larry Robinson
Doug Harvey Paul Coffey

Grant Fuhr
Ken Dryden

Nobody beats this team... ;)

The same team with Lemieux instead of Robitaille "beats this team".

John Flyers Fan

11-09-2004, 10:09 PM

Bring Back Bucky

11-10-2004, 01:23 PM

DaaaaB's

11-12-2004, 03:54 PM

The same team with Lemieux instead of Robitaille "beats this team".
Putting Sawchuk in net instead of Fuhr would be a huge upgrade as well.

HaBs_ReNeGaTe

11-13-2004, 02:15 PM

I Would Say...

Hull - Gretzky - Kurri
Dionne - Howe - Lafleur
Gainey - Lemieux - Shutt
H. Richard - Beliveau - M. Richard

Orr - Tremblay
Bourque - Shore
Robinson - Coffey

Vladislav Tretiak
Patrick Roy
Ken Dryden

Scotty Bowman
Hector "Toe" Blake
Pat Burns

Bring Back Bucky

11-13-2004, 05:29 PM

revolverjgw

11-13-2004, 06:55 PM

Kovalev10 and I have pretty similar lineups. I don't think sticking Guy at left wing is too inaccurate. He was before my time, but I've read about him being pretty versatile and I can remember watching him being the architect of some great plays over there.

Obviously, I've watched few of these guys in real-time action (I'm 21), but I like what I've seen on tape, and read and heard.

Mario Lemieux- Wayne Gretzky- Mike Bossy
(the puck would spend more time in the net than in play)

Guy Lafleur- Jean Beliveau- Maurice Richard
(grace, class, and fire, elite scoring line, just not quite as elite as the one above it)

Ted Lindsay- Bryan Trottier- Gordie Howe
(roles are getting less offensive, so I'll stick some tough and/or good two way players on the third... too talented for me to leave off this team! They'd still get their goals.)

Bob Gainey- Guy Carbonneau- Jere Lehtinen
(to shutdown on command... though I don't know how useful they'd be with every game ending 12-1.)

Bobby Orr- Ray Bourque
Larry Robinson- Denis Potvin
Rod Langway- Paul Coffey

Patrick Roy
Ken Dryden

Of course, guys like Harvey, Clarke, Mahovlich, they could all stick on this team. I did pick some personal favorites in place of players that could fit better.

HaBs_ReNeGaTe

11-13-2004, 08:01 PM

Who's Tremblay? You mean JC??
Hey, welcome to the boards by the way, even if you are another Habs Fan!!

Yeah, I mean JC, that one of the great defensive defenseman of the history of hockey... underrated i think.

By the way, thanks for the welcome ;)

Frightened Inmate #2

11-13-2004, 09:10 PM

1st Line: Krutov - Gretzky - Bobby Clarke
2nd Line: Kharlamov - Lemieux - Howe
3rd Line: Mark Messier - Trottier- Claude Lemieux
4th Line: Gainey - Carbonneau - Provost
Spares: Shanahan, Makarov, Larionov.

1st Pairing: Orr - Chelios
2nd Pairing: Lidstrom - Fetisov
3rd Pairing: Stevens - Bourque
Spare: Langway

Starting Goaltender: Hasek
Backup Goaltender: Roy

Press Box: Kirk McLean (not the best but he is a good team player, and that is important in a 3rd string goaltender in my view).

Inactive

11-18-2004, 05:46 PM

no brett hull? A guy that has scored 700+ career goals and no one takes him?

Bring Back Bucky

11-18-2004, 06:01 PM

no brett hull? A guy that has scored 700+ career goals and no one takes him?

He doesn't care about the fans, so I guess now it's getting reciprocated. :handclap:

NYRfan68

11-18-2004, 06:26 PM

I truly don't believe that the players of the past can fill the shoes of the players of today. Yes, I believe that Dany Heatley is better than Guy LaFleur. There is so many places to get Talent: Russia, Sweden and better overall minor hockey growth. There is no way that Gordie Howe would be able to play the same in todays game.... That's why my team would be.

Kurri- Gretzky- Jagr
Shanahan- Lemieux- Hull
Neely- Francis- Bure
Tkachuk- Forsberg- Bossy

(all in prime)

Bourque- Potvin
Pronger- Coffey
MacInnis- Blake

(all in prime)

Brodeur
Hasek

Coach: Bowman

Youreallygotme

11-18-2004, 07:28 PM

I'm assuming we're going by how dominant these guys were in their era, rather than comparing everybody on the same level

Neely - Lemieux - Jagr :shakehead just go home defense and goaltenders, nobody would stop these guys
Howe - Gretzky - Kurri - I dont know if Kurri is among my top 12 all time but if you go back and pick him up during his prime, he had unbeleivable chemistry with Gretzky.
Bobby Hull - Jean Beliveau - Maurice Richard3 snipers who all worked hard and paid the price
Gainey - Trottier - Clarke - You know what this line does

Orr - Harvey
Park - Lidstrom
Bourque - Robinson
Chara - simply for his size and intimidation

Roy
Brodeur
Tretiak

KOVALEV10*

11-19-2004, 12:21 AM

I truly don't believe that the players of the past can fill the shoes of the players of today. Yes, I believe that Dany Heatley is better than Guy LaFleur. There is so many places to get Talent: Russia, Sweden and better overall minor hockey growth. There is no way that Gordie Howe would be able to play the same in todays game....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Thats the single absolute funniest joke in history!!!!

thome_26

11-19-2004, 12:42 AM

makes no sense to pick Howe over Messier IMO. Moose was not only more of a winner and a leader, but he was just as good offensively (better numbers) and just as mean and competitive.

Leaf Lander

11-19-2004, 01:08 AM

NYRfan68

11-19-2004, 03:44 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Thats the single absolute funniest joke in history!!!!

in your opinion. The players today are faster taller and stronger. They also use curved sticks as well as come from an alot larger talent pool. Today there are so many kids playing hockey while back then they were strictly from Canada and the minor leagues for kids were alot worse.

The players of today are alot better. Just thinking about the LaFleur comment... I think he could still play todays game(not as well though) I do think anyone drafted before 1965 could not handle the competition of new age hockey and would be maybe AHL players at most or 3rd-4th liners. Also remember the goalies did not go down... Gordie Howe would have scored much easier on Jacques Plante than Bure would on Roy (Butterfly style)

c-carp

11-19-2004, 04:22 PM

I won't use any players that I didn't witness playing.

Messier - Gretzky - Kurri
Shanahan - Lemieux - Jagr
Krutov - Yzerman - Makarov
Lindros - Clarke - Bossy

Orr - Chelios
Potvin - Bourque
Lidstrom - Fetisov

Hasek
ParentSame with me here are mine

Messier-Gretzky-Br. Hull
Gartner-Lemieux-Neely
Brian Sutter-Otto-Tikkanen
Nystrom-D.Hunter-Probert

Stevens-Bourque
Langway-MacInnis
D.Wilson-Chelios

Roy
Fuhr

KariyaIsGod*

11-20-2004, 04:53 AM

in your opinion. The players today are faster taller and stronger. They also use curved sticks as well as come from an alot larger talent pool. Today there are so many kids playing hockey while back then they were strictly from Canada and the minor leagues for kids were alot worse.

The players of today are alot better. Just thinking about the LaFleur comment... I think he could still play todays game(not as well though) I do think anyone drafted before 1965 could not handle the competition of new age hockey and would be maybe AHL players at most or 3rd-4th liners. Also remember the goalies did not go down... Gordie Howe would have scored much easier on Jacques Plante than Bure would on Roy (Butterfly style)

Yeah but if you are going to compare the players, you need to assume the old timers have all of those same advatages. They would be bigger, stronger, faster and have better equipment too.

Fighter

11-20-2004, 06:34 AM

Kharlamov-Gretzky-Howe
Bobby Hull-Lemieux-Bossy
Lafleur-Messier-Michailov
Krutov-Larionov-Makarov

Orr-Bourque
Stevens-Coffey
Fetisov-Potvin

Tretjak
Hasek

jiggs 10

11-20-2004, 01:48 PM

makes no sense to pick Howe over Messier IMO. Moose was not only more of a winner and a leader, but he was just as good offensively (better numbers) and just as mean and competitive.

This could very well be the funniest thing I've read yet! Gordie Howe NOT a winner? Yeah, I guess all those Cups and Hart Trophies and Ross Trophies were just accidents? And the fact that Howe had a higher PPG average than Messier? While playing more games? And scoring more goals, even though he didn't play in the "high-scoring" 80's? Whatever.... :shakehead

My line-up:
Krutov-Gretzky-Kurri
Bobby Hull-Max Bentley-Brett Hull
Mahavolich-Yzerman-Bossy
M. Richard-Lemieux-Dionne

Orr-Harvey
Bourque-Robinson
Coffey-Potvin
Lidstrom-Shore

Sawchuk
Roy

NYRfan68

11-21-2004, 08:29 AM

Yeah but if you are going to compare the players, you need to assume the old timers have all of those same advatages. They would be bigger, stronger, faster and have better equipment too.

you have a point there but if we were to take them straight out of their prime stick em in a game w/ newer players especially playing a trap system the results would be laughable.

BM67

11-21-2004, 09:03 AM

you have a point there but if we were to take them straight out of their prime stick em in a game w/ newer players especially playing a trap system the results would be laughable.
The results would be just as laughable taking a modern player back. Just adjusting to the old equipment and poor ice would be a shock, then you throw in rule changes and playing styles. How would a modern player react to playing 50 minutes a game, no forward passing, and travel by train, while adjusting to crude skates on poor pre-zamboni ice, and the complete lack of all the modern tools he's used to, and in fact relies on? The oldtime players would be in hockey heaven where most of the changes would be to his advantage.

mattihp

11-21-2004, 09:41 AM

Luc Robitaille - Wayne Gretzky - Gordie Howe
Bob Gainey - Guy Carbonneau - Maurice Richards
Guy LaFleur - Mario Lemieux - Cam Neely
Bobby Hull - Mark Messier - Bobby Clarke

Bobby Orr - Rod Langway (best asian born player ever)
Raymond Bourque - Doug Harvey
Robinson - Paul Coffey

Terry Sawchuk
Patrick Roy

VanIslander

11-21-2004, 09:49 AM

3rd Line: Mark Messier - Trottier- Claude Lemieux
They'd own the playoffs.

big_steve

11-21-2004, 02:09 PM

mattihp

11-21-2004, 02:31 PM

What's Langway's bloodline anyway? American or......?
I think so, either american or british , born in Taiwan and raised in the states.

big_steve

11-21-2004, 06:05 PM

I think so, either american or british , born in Taiwan and raised in the states.

So his parents were missionaries I assume.

RobQ73

11-22-2004, 01:23 AM

Hey all, first time poster here. Hopefully I can keep up with the vast knowledge that you all possess. Damn, I thought I was a hockey afficienado until I saw this board!

Only been watching hockey since 1980, so I'll just go with my best team of those I've had the pleasure to watch personally. Some are out of position, but given the talent, I'm sure it would work out decently:

Bossy-Gretzky-Messier (Gretz behind net, Messier in front, Bossy sniping)
Jagr- Mario-Kurri
Gillies-Trottier-Nystrom (a skilled grit line)
P. Statsny -Savard-Bure (pure speed and "fake you out of your pants" line)
extras: Yzerman and Hawerchuck

Coffey-Bourque
Potvin-Robinson
Stevens-Konstantinov (opposing forwards would be in for a world of pain)
Lidstrom-MacInnis (apologies to Chelios, but I want to see the MacInnis slapper on the PP)

Roy
Hasek
B. Smith

Team Mascot: Mike Ricci

WillardJFredricks

11-22-2004, 06:32 PM

These aren't my favorites, but I think this would be the best team I could think of putting together:

Maurice Richard-Wayne Gretzky-Gordie Howe
Bobby Hull-Mario Lemieux-Mike Bossy
Phil Esposito-Jean Beliveau-Guy Lafluer
Mark Messier-Bobby Clarke-Marcel Dionne

Bobby Orr-Doug Harvey
Ray Bourque-Denis Potvin
Paul Coffey-Larry Robinson

Patrick Roy
Terry Sawchuk

Just Missing out: Bryan Trottier, Brett Hull, Glen Hall.

Mr Bugg

11-22-2004, 07:52 PM

Lafleur-Gretzky-Bossy
Krutov-Lemieux-Richard
Neely-Messier-Howe
Bure-Stastny-Kurri

Orr Bourque
Potvin Coffey
Stevens Robinson

Sawchuk
Tretiak

x Goodwill x

11-26-2004, 06:27 PM

Maurice Richard..... Wayne Gretzky......Mike Bossy
Mario Lemieux...... Joe Sakic...............Jaromir Jagr
Guy Lafleur........... Mats Sundin...........Cam Neely
Mark Messier.........Bobby Clark............Marcel Dionne

Orr .........Bourque
Potvin .....Coffey
Robinson....MacInnis

Brodeur
Roy

Habsfan 32

11-26-2004, 10:08 PM

Maurice Richard-Mario Lemieux-Mike Bosse :eek:
Phil Esposito-Jean Beliveau-Todd Bertuzzi :eek:
Bob Gainey-Bryan Trottier-Mark Messier
Gordie Howe-Sergei Fedoreov-Bob Probert

Bobby Orr-Raymond Bourque
Adam Foote-Scott Neidermayer
Paul Coffey-Scott Stevens

Patrick Roy
Terry Sawchuck

Scotty Bowman
Al Arbour

mattihp

11-28-2004, 06:21 AM

I'll also say that I didn't use any euros in my team, because as from this moment very few would've been worthy. Four names that crossed my mind was Börje Salming, Mats Sundin, Jari Kurri and Petr Stastny.

mattihp

11-28-2004, 06:23 AM

Todd Bertuzzi

WTF? :dunno:

Superfluous U

11-28-2004, 06:02 PM

WTF? :dunno:

That's right. He has seen fit to include Todd Bertuzzi - and Bob Probert - instead of Wayne Gretzky.

big_steve

11-28-2004, 06:36 PM

That's right. He has seen fit to include Todd Bertuzzi - and Bob Probert - instead of Wayne Gretzky.

Not to mention, he spelled Bossy, 'Bosse'.

Edler Statesman*

11-28-2004, 07:27 PM

Bobby Hull has to be the first line LW. Would have the all-time goals record if he never ventured into the WHL.

Not restricted to NHL, so Makarov, Larionov, Fetisov and Kharlamov should get mucho consideration.

The defense should be Orr, Harvey, Bourque, Robinson, Park, and Kelly.

Goalies is a tossup... could be any two of Roy, Hasek, Plante, Brodeur, Sawchuk, Dryden, ... I'd go with Hasek and Sawchuk myself. Reflex goalies are more exciting to watch.

Crosbyfan

11-28-2004, 07:31 PM

Not to mention, he spelled Bossy, 'Bosse'.

He could mean Mike Bosse the journeyman AHLer. A lot of people would pick him over Gretzky as well. :D

mattihp

11-29-2004, 10:10 AM

That's right. He has seen fit to include Todd Bertuzzi - and Bob Probert - instead of Wayne Gretzky.
I can understand picking Probert, he probably wanted the best role player ever... But Bertuzzi? There are (or were :P) better players in the league doing what he does.....

big_steve

11-29-2004, 04:57 PM

I can understand picking Probert, he probably wanted the best role player ever... But Bertuzzi? There are (or were :P) better players in the league doing what he does.....

Yeah, I'm sure Dave Schultz could hit a guy in the back in the head better than Bertuzzi. Schultz would've killed him.

Youreallygotme

11-29-2004, 08:05 PM

Yeah, I'm sure Dave Schultz could hit a guy in the back in the head better than Bertuzzi. Schultz would've killed him.

Yeah i guess Thats all bert really does - hit guys in the back of the head eh? In fact he's a big mean goon who doesnt even know how to play hockey. He's just a "Hit a guy in the head for hire". anybody need a guy sucker punched, he's your man.

<--------- in fact heres another one of his thuggery acts right here.

Same with Mcsorely - He had no other job than wacking guys in the head. Without that we wouldnt even know who he was.

Oh and Rocket Richard, the great ref puncher.

Hopefully I've showed you well enough how dumb you sound.

Superfluous U

11-29-2004, 08:41 PM

Yeah i guess Thats all bert really does - hit guys in the back of the head eh? In fact he's a big mean goon who doesnt even know how to play hockey. He's just a "Hit a guy in the head for hire". anybody need a guy sucker punched, he's your man.

<--------- in fact heres another one of his thuggery acts right here.

Same with Mcsorely - He had no other job than wacking guys in the head. Without that we wouldnt even know who he was.

Oh and Rocket Richard, the great ref puncher.

Now, for clarity, do you honestly think Bertuzzi has any business anywhere near an all time great team?

Edler Statesman*

11-29-2004, 08:44 PM

Now, for clarity, do you honestly think Bertuzzi has any business anywhere near an all time great team?

All-time great Canucks, all-time great Milbury blunders, all-time great power-forwards. Not all-time hockey players, not even close.

Frightened Inmate #2

11-29-2004, 08:57 PM

Bertuzzi shouldn't be there, if this was all 2000-2004 team sure why not, but there are way to many great players out there to have Bertuzzi on anyones list.

However that list has so many holes in it, Howe as a left winger? Messier as a Right Winger?

Youreallygotme

11-30-2004, 12:46 AM

Now, for clarity, do you honestly think Bertuzzi has any business anywhere near an all time great team?

Of course not. Bertuzzis way down there. Neely was twice as good. Gordie Howe, Reggie Leach, Steve Shutt, Guy Lafleur, Marcel Dionne, etc. not to mention he chose sergei fedorov who is a great player like bertuzzi, but nowhere near the list.

I was just letting go of my frustration that has boiled up every time people take a bertuzzi topic and twist it into him being a thug and a criminal. It's a one time thing, he's never done it before, and while I cant guaruntee, I bet it's not going to happen again.

It seems that theres an excemption for making fun of bertuzzi on here. If I was to go and make a remark about Heatley and his excellent car crashing and killing skills, people would be all over me and rightfully so.

clefty

11-30-2004, 04:35 AM