NFL Mock draft, anyone interested?

Sorry I took a while.

Eagles select DE Grant Wistrom.

Still in shock that he's available, the Colts select CB Aaron Glenn!

Falcons select DE Chike Okeafor

Opting to keep the run on high-end D-linemen going, Vikes welcome back Kevin Williams to the fold. Whom I would love to see line-up next to a legit NT ala Hampton in real life...

49ers select DE Trevor Pryce....whom I'm shocked to have seen not taken yet.

whom I'm shocked to have seen not taken yet.

Okay, this has gotten old quickly. :joker:

Seattle takes C Robbie Tobeck and WR Jimmy Smith

Okay, this has gotten old quickly. :joker:

Hey I had to use it one time. ;)

49ers select DT Ted Washington.

Kevin Carter, LDE

The Falcons select CB Nick Harper

The Colts complete their secondary with the selection of FS Mike Brown!

Eagles select WR Anquan Boldin.

DT Dewayne Robertson

Rams select and are stunned he is still available LB Peter Boulware.Best Linebacking trio right here

Rams select and are stunned he is still available LB Peter Boulware.Best Linebacking trio right here

Lets wait till all the trios are completed to make that assumption. ;) And I'm waiting for Obeysteve to get on you about the stunned he is still avalible comment since he got on me for it. :p:

Lets wait till all the trios are completed to make that assumption. ;) And I'm waiting for Obeysteve to get on you about the stunned he is still avalible comment since he got on me for it. :p:

Well Boulware is a pro bowler year in year out.He's been injured this year which may have caused the slip.Getting someone of this quality at this stage is stunning.I thought he was gone by the 5th and just now when I lucked out and looked at the linebackers and saw he wasn't their.I would have taken him earlier but again I thought he was not available

Rams select and are stunned he is still available LB Peter Boulware.Best Linebacking trio right here

Damn. I was hoping he'd fall just one more round.

Oh well, now on to plan B.

I've come to realize that I'm going to have a strong team all-around with the exception of my linebackers.

Then again, I guess I just consider my defensive line and secondary to be bigger priorities.

I personally think we should just compare our teams amongst each other rather than have a bunch of HF members that have minimal knowledge of the NFL judge our teams. It should be interesting to see what we say about each other. Will my ultra-elite defensive line (Taylor, Seymour, Stroud and Wistrom) be considered more impressive than AtG's linebacker corp? Only time will tell.

I personally think we should just compare our teams amongst each other rather than have a bunch of HF members that have minimal knowledge of the NFL judge our teams.

I resent that comment ;)

(Taylor, Seymour, Stroud and Wistrom) be considered more impressive than AtG's linebacker corp? Only time will tell.

Id say my D-line of Strahan-Rice-Sapp-xxxx is pretty close. :yo:

I'll take James Farrior and move him to OLB

Id say my D-line of Strahan-Rice-Sapp-xxxx is pretty close. :yo:

2 seasons ago, your D-line would literally be God personified. I don't know about now though....Rice and Sapp aren't what they used to be.

I've come to realize that I'm going to have a strong team all-around with the exception of my linebackers.

Then again, I guess I just consider my defensive line and secondary to be bigger priorities.

I personally think we should just compare our teams amongst each other rather than have a bunch of HF members that have minimal knowledge of the NFL judge our teams. It should be interesting to see what we say about each other. Will my ultra-elite defensive line (Taylor, Seymour, Stroud and Wistrom) be considered more impressive than AtG's linebacker corp? Only time will tell.

Every team will have their distinctive strengths and weaknesses.Mine so far are my Lb's and also my safety positions.Brian Dawkins and Ed reed can't get much better then that.Also I will move Arrington in as my MLB and have Boulware as my second OLB

I've come to realize that I'm going to have a strong team all-around with the exception of my linebackers.

Then again, I guess I just consider my defensive line and secondary to be bigger priorities.

I personally think we should just compare our teams amongst each other rather than have a bunch of HF members that have minimal knowledge of the NFL judge our teams. It should be interesting to see what we say about each other. Will my ultra-elite defensive line (Taylor, Seymour, Stroud and Wistrom) be considered more impressive than AtG's linebacker corp? Only time will tell.

I would stack my line up to yours. Grant is a quality rusher with enough size to hold against the run, Casey Hampton is the best nose tackle in the league bar none, Williams is a 10-sack havok-master ala a young Sapp and Kevin Carter is one of the best all-around left ends in football. Stroud, Seymour and Taylor are outstanding. Wistrom, relative to the caliber we are drafting, is nothing special. He is a good, but not great, player who neither excels against the run nor the pass.

Though I also agree that we should hold off on who has the best units until they are all filled in. There is still a ton of talent at out there. Especially at LB, S, TE and OL.

Since I am bored and have not done this yet...

LDE- Kevin Carter
UT- Kevin Williams
NT- Casey Hampton
RDE- Charles Grant

Grant is a quality rusher with enough size to hold-up against the run. Hampton the best NT in the game who demands a double team (making players around him better), Williams is a havok-inducing freak ala Sapp circa the late 90's and Kevin Carter is still one of the best all-around ends in football. Love the line, big enough to keep blockers off the LBs but athletic enough to pressure the pass.

OLB- Takeo Spikes
MLB- Al Wilson
OLB- TBD

Love the starting pair. Two uber-athletic playmakers with speed, size and aggresiveness. If Spikes plays strongside or weakside depends on who I get to round out the crew.

CB-Charles Woodson
CB-Champ Bailey

You don't get any better than that. Two of the best in the game, each able to shut down 90% of WRs 1-on-1. Having CBs that can do that really opens up the defense. Safeties have yet to be drafted, but with man-up CBs they can be freelance playmakers.

QB- Leftwich

A bit weak here. Leftwich has a lot to prove. There may have been better overall QBs out there, but I wanted a big-armed QB who can take advantage of Moss down the field.

RB- McAllister

Great all-around back. Speed to get outside, size to go up the middle and hands out of the backfield.

WR- Moss

Best in the game bar none.

LOT-Thomas
LG-Davis
C-Bentley
RG-
RT-McKinnie

Huge line. Neither are premiere OTs, but good duo for a pass-first offense. Davis is a mauler inside, one of the best. Charles is an athletic pulling linemen. Just need to round out the crew.

I've come to realize that I'm going to have a strong team all-around with the exception of my linebackers.

Then again, I guess I just consider my defensive line and secondary to be bigger priorities.

I personally think we should just compare our teams amongst each other rather than have a bunch of HF members that have minimal knowledge of the NFL judge our teams. It should be interesting to see what we say about each other. Will my ultra-elite defensive line (Taylor, Seymour, Stroud and Wistrom) be considered more impressive than AtG's linebacker corp? Only time will tell.


Yea good idea. I really like my passing game. Pennington to Owens, or Moulds, or Todd Heap.

I'm also bored so I'll do one of them things like JCD did.

D-Line

LE-TBD
DT-Shaun Rogers
DT-Corey Simon
RE-Dwight Freeney


Two good all-around DTs the fill up the middle, and one of the better pass rushers in the game at the right. One more pash rusher at the left should make this crew a very talented bunch.



Line-backers

ROLB: Keith Brooking
MLB: Brian Urlacher
LOLB: TBD


A very talented outside linebacker and the best MLB not named Ray Lewis make this a very nice linebacking corps. Good pash rushers, good run stoppers, and they're also decent coverage guys too. A good guy for the left side, maybe a converted MLB, could make the run defense a bit better.


Secondary

CB: Ronde Barber
CB: Aaron Glenn
SS: Rodney Harrison
FS: Mike Brown


Barber and Glenn are two of the better corners in the league, so there's no real weakness there. Harrison is arguably the best strong safety in the league, and Brown is also very talented, so the pass defense should be very, very good.


Offensive backfield

QB: Peyton Manning
HB: Clinton Portis
FB: TBD


The run game looks very good, with Portis, arguably a top 5 back, leading the way. A good fullback who can pound in short yardage and do some blocking will make the two backs a very deadly combo. The best QB in the league in Manning, who should not have fell to 5th overall, just makes the backfield that more lethal.


Receivers

WR: Hines Ward
WR: TBD
TE: TBD


Ward is one of the top 5 receivers in the league, and with Manning throwing him the ball, it's a very nice combo. Another good wide-out and a good receiving TE will make this receiving corps one of the best.


O-Line

LT: Tairk Glenn
LG: TBD
C: Kevin Mawae
RG: TBD
RT: Kyle Turley


The run game up the middle isn't a threat untill two guards and a fullback are drafted, but otherwise, it's looking good. Glenn is a very good and somewhat underrated tackle, Kevin Mawae is a top 2 center in the league, and Turley is the best tackle who normally plays on the right side of the field. They're all good pass blockers, and make the outside run game a real threat. A tight-end who is a decent blocker is also needed to shore up the blocking part of the game.


Special Teams

TBD

2 seasons ago, your D-line would literally be God personified. I don't know about now though....Rice and Sapp aren't what they used to be.

Strahan as well to an extent.

However, having said that - Strahan and Rice are still bonified top 5 DE's, and Sapp is still one of the best DT's around stuck in a crummy Oakland system.

I'll follow JCD's lead...

D-line-
LDE-Strahan
DT-Sapp
DT-TBA
RDE-Rice

Like I said above, I feel my pass rush can only be challenged by Obeysteve's d-line. Thats 3 all-pro's and 3 hall-of famers right there.

Linebacker
OLB-Bulluck
MLB-Edwards
OLB-Farrior

3 of the more underrated guys in the league, but my linebacking core is by no means the strenght of my team. Bulluck is the one that gives my core respectability though, he's awesome.

CB's
Surtain
TBA

Surtain is one of the best technical CB's in the league. However this will be a sore spot for me in the draft because I've yet to draft a 2nd CB.

Safety's
Archuleta
Parrish

The ultimate tackle safety and the ultimate ball-hawk safety (outside of ED Reed) IMO. Archuleta is a beast who is a converted LB, where as Parrish lead the league in INT's last year and is the heart and sole of the 9er's along with J.Peterson.

QB
McNair

Picked McNair in the 1st round because I value QB's.

RB
Alexander
FB-TBA

Alexander is a top 3 RB in the world, period. Already with 1000+ yards this year.

Receivers
A.Johnson
Gonzalez (TE)
TBA

Tony Gonzalez would be the main target for McNair IMO. Easily the best TE in the league. Andre Johnson is the type of guy who can carry a recievin' core as well - just ask Dave Carr.

O-Line
T-Tait
G-TBA
C-Birk
G-TBA
T-TBA

Matt Birk and John Tait are both guys that made FOX's ''top 100 NFL players'' list. Birk is the type of firery leader than an O-line needsm while Tait is a big bruising tackle that is one of the better pass blcokers.

Special teams
TBA

I'm a follower...

DLine:

Ends: Trevor Pryce, Leonard Little
Tackles: Kris Jenkins, Ted Washington

What I like most about my line are the defensive tackles. Washington is an excellent run stopper and Jenkins is probably the best DT in the league. Its going to be tough for an o-line to stop those 2 inside then Pryce can be physical and fast while Little is a guy who can disrupt a QB all game long.

Linebackers: Ray Lewis, Julian Peterson, ???

This where ATG's claim of best LB crew may be in great debate. Ray Lewis is the best defensive player in the game and is why I chose him first overall. Peterson is a guy reaching is prime who could be the best OLB in the league depending on who you ask, ESPN scouts inc. say he is the 3rd best LB in the league behind Ray and Urlacher. Has tremendous speed, great at blitzes and can cover pretty much any TE or back. Have my eye on a MLB I'm going to move to OLB if I get him.

Secondary:
CB: Ty Law, Nate Clements
Safeties: Donovan Darius, ???

Ty Law is a guy who can shut down pretty much anyone in the league and is among the debate of best corner in the league (I have him at #2). Clements is a corner with size and speed and is very good in man coverage. Darius isnt a good cover guy but he can help stop the run and a very physical safety who can deliver big hits. Got an idea on who I want for my other safety, hopefully he drops a few rounds.

Special teams: Last 2 rounds....

QB: Brett Favre

#2 on my list of QBs I want starting to win one game for me behind Brady. Good leader, great at comebacks, and has a cannon for an arm.

RB: Edgerrian James, ???

Probably better backs out there at the time I picked him, but I feel behind Priest and LT hes the most versatile back who can beat you running and receiving. Won the rushing title twice already in his career and seems to be getting back on track. I was hoping to land Beasley at FB but there are still good options out there.

WR: Chad Johnson, ???
TE: ???
Best guy avalible at the time I picked him at the position. Has the size and speed to be a top wr which he already is. Have another guy in mind who next to Chad would make a pretty deadly combo for Favre to hook up with. Still a few good TEs left.

O-Line:
OT: Flozell Adams, ???
OG: Will Shields, ???
C: Jeremy Newberry

Shields is probably the best guard in the league and when I saw he was still left took the oppertunity to grab him. Took Newberry in the heat of the Cs being taken but I feel I got the 3rd best center in the league, hes a regular pro bowler. Flozell Adams is a big tackle who can dominate in the run game and pretty solid pass blocker. See a couple guys at T and G I'd like to get.

Overall, I've liked what I've done so far. I think my strong point is my LB. I think my o-line could be better but I like what I have. Have been pretty ho-hum about who people pick but last rounds (13&14) I saw 4 guys I really thought would slip almost go all in a row. Had to rethink who I wanted at that point, but other than that this has been pretty fun so far and I cant wait till the finished product. I'm real curious to know what people think of each others teams in the end of this thing and how we differ on the rankings of our teams. Hopefully we can get this done by next weekend, but it might take bit longer. I think we've held a pretty good pace with the exception of a few slow downs.

O-Line:
OT: Flozell Adams, ???
OG: Will Shields, ???
C: Jeremy Newberry

I think my strong point is my LB. I think my o-line could be better but I like what I have.

Id say its a battle between you and JCD for best O-line.

Hmm, I'll do mine now.....


DE - Jevon Kearse
DT - Dewayne Robertson
DT - XXXX
DE - Aaron Schobel

Pretty good line, with a gamebreaker in Kearse.

CB - Marcus Trufant
CB - Dre Bly
FS - Tebucky Jones
SS - Sammy Knight

Good secondary, Trufant will be a great corner in a few years (if not already), Bly is doing good in Detroit, Jones and Knight are both very good safetys.

OLB - Suggs
MLB - XXXX
OLB - XXXX

Nothing to report as of yet.

RT - Walter Jones
RG - Brian Waters
C - XXXX
LG - XXXX
LT - XXXX

Not done yet. Solid start.

QB - Chad Pennington
RB - Priest Holmes

WR - Terrell Owens
WR - Eric Moulds

I really, really like my offense. 4 playmakers, and 2 gamebreakers.

Chargers select WR Derrick Mason and G Marco Rivera

Strahan as well to an extent.

However, having said that - Strahan and Rice are still bonified top 5 DE's, and Sapp is still one of the best DT's around stuck in a crummy Oakland system.

I'll follow JCD's lead...

D-line-
LDE-Strahan
DT-Sapp
DT-TBA
RDE-Rice

Like I said above, I feel my pass rush can only be challenged by Obeysteve's d-line. Thats 3 all-pro's and 3 hall-of famers right there.

I don't know... I am with ObeySteve here. I think your guys names are a bit more impressive than their play. None of those guys are/were on pace for double-digit sacks despite all of them being a focal point for their respective teams.

Sapp isn't just stuck in Oakland (and he really stinks there), he has aged notably over the last few years. He has not been 'Sapp' since 2000. Today, I think he would be best served as a pass-rush specialist, but ego won't allow that. Strah

Strahan is still a great all-around player, but age could be creaping in. Not too many DL over the age of 30 rebound once the numbers start dropping.

Rice is a tough call. I think a big reason for his decline is the decline of the team around him. Teams can put more emphasis on him and ignore the other guys. Rice, who had a reputation for playing Me-ball and quitting in Arizona, hasn't been able to beat it.

That all three of them are over thirty is a notable factor in their decline and why others are think they stack up just as well.

We should choose a coach as well

We should choose a coach as well

Considering we have only 10 teams, and the NFL has 32 teams, also choosing D and O coordinators on top of a head coach wouldn't be a bad idea.

I'll take one of Obeysteve's favourites - G Jermane Mayberry

Rams select WR Plaxico Burress

OLB - Ian Gold.

Have another guy in mind who next to Chad would make a pretty deadly combo for Favre to hook up with.

Rams select WR Plaxico Burress

:mad:

:mad:

Im quickly becoming the most hated drafter here.First I take C_d's Berry pick.Now Hockey Fan's coveted WR.This is a good thing though as it means im making good picks because these players are coveted by other drafters

I believe it's been 15 hours, so I'll make my pick.

The Colts select LE Adewayle Ogunleye! Got the pass rush from the left side I was talking about.

Oh F' me, Steve wanted me to make his pick.

Eagles select TE Eric Johnson

Falcons welcome back SS Bryan Scott

TE Jim Kleinsasser

49ers select TE Randy Mcmichael.

Tight end crazyness, suprised no one has taken the young stud on Dallas.

TE Jim Kleinsasser

Wow im really suprised with this pick especially considering for one he doesn't even start on his own team and also their were better options out their such as the individual the poster above me mentioned

Wow im really suprised with this pick especially considering for one he doesn't even start on his own team and also their wer better options out their such as the individual the poster above me mentioned

Kleinsasser IIRC is injured right now. But anyways, didn't he switch to fullback?

Kleinsasser IIRC is injured right now. But anyways, didn't he switch to fullback?

That is correct but wiggins has the job either way after his stats this year.I still find it a weird pick considering Mcmicheal was available and also another TE that was mentioned that will remain name less

good ol jw :)

Wow im really suprised with this pick especially considering for one he doesn't even start on his own team and also their were better options out their such as the individual the poster above me mentioned

He is the best blocking TE in the league, and one of the best all-around in the game. There may be better 1-dimensional receiving TEs left on the board, but a TEs job includes blocking. None of the TEs left are such stand-out receivers as to make up for Kleinsasser's blocking advantage. Guys like McMichael are a liability in the run game. Guys like Kleinsasser can take on DEs 1-on-1 (there are only a handful of TEs in the game who are able to do that with any degree of success).

Kleinsasser is a far better TE than Wiggins. Both are on par with each other as receivers, only Kleinsasser is faster and a FAR better blocker. He absolutely starts, he is just out for the year. Since other injured players have been drafted, I thought we were not taking injuries into consideration. Vikes play a 2-TE set, so both will be on the field. Wiggins as the H-back, Kleinsasser as the starting TE.

BTW, he has not played fullback since Denny Green was fired 3+ years ago.

Seattle selects CB Andre Dyson and OLB Cato June

49ers select OT Chris Samuels

SS Tank Williams

Falcons select OT Robert Gallery

Colts select LOLB Anthony Simmons!

Eagles select WR Isaac Bruce.

tackle Matt Light

Eagles select WR Isaac Bruce.

Damn. He was my pick next round, and almost was my pick this round.

Oh well. Back to the drawing board.

Rams select Damien Woody OG

M_B is up and I thought I'd bump it since its getting pretty low in the forum. About 3 hours, Herby can make his picks if M_B doesnt make his picks by 11:22.

M_B is up and I thought I'd bump it since its getting pretty low in the forum. About 3 hours, Herby can make his picks if M_B doesnt make his picks by 11:22.

Bears select 5-time pro-bowl DT Bryant Young

Starting to bog down again. I think m_b can make his pick again.

Open-ended question: how deep do we want to go in the draft? We have the starting line-ups nearly done, do we want to draft back-ups as well?

^Herb's 15 hours have passed unfortunatly.

Bears select forgotten WR Laverneous Coles

Starting to bog down again. I think m_b can make his pick again.

Open-ended question: how deep do we want to go in the draft? We have the starting line-ups nearly done, do we want to draft back-ups as well?

No thanks. The draft is already starting to slow down now, so I can't even imagine how long it would take to draft back-ups.

Rams select DT Tim Bowens

LB - Chad Brown

Sorry about the delay

San Diego Chargers select S Sean Taylor and RB Corey Dillon

....I've been sitting on the computer for the last couple of hours, and didn't even realize it's my turn until now. :banghead:

Eagles finally select one of their own, that other guy who makes up the best safety duo in the NFL today... SS Michael Lewis.

Colts select G Dan Neil

Falcons select OT Chad Clifton

OG/OT Willie Anderson

Sorry guys, didnt realize you guys had made this many picks in a row. 49ers select S Corey Chavous

Bauldie's time is up, so Hockeyfan can make another pick.

Let's go guys, I don't know why suddenly everyone is moving ridiculously slow.

49ers select OG Chris Villarrial to round out the O-line.

Nick Barnett to give the team three, fast aggressive playmaking LBs.

The Falcons select G Joe Andruzzi

If I can, the Colts select Jeff Saturday and switch him to LG.

Nick Barnett to give the team three, fast aggressive playmaking LBs.

Nice pick. I was inbetween him and Villarial for my next pick, but I decided to fill out my O-line instead. I kinda knew Barnett wouldnt come back to me, but oh well. There are other LBs I'd like to get although the list is getting smaller.

Eagles select OT Brad Hopkins.

Eagles select OT Chad Clifton.
already picked....and I take FB Mike Alstott.

Rams select FB Reuben Droughns.Ya I know what all you guys are going to say but the nfl official site and TSN both have him listed as a fullback

Note to M_b: I did change my pick a while ago.

Deion Sanders, CB

Eww.

......wow.

What are your guy's respective panties in a bunch for?

Deion is still prime-time, and already has 3 INT's this year. :yo:

San Diego Chargers select LB Rosevelt Colvin and DT Brenston Buckner

Give me pro-bowl tackle Jon Runyan

What are your guy's respective panties in a bunch for?

Deion is still prime-time, and already has 3 INT's this year. :yo:

He may be prime time, but it is mid-season replacement re-runs.

This is not the Deion of old.

Deion Sanders, CB

Nice pick, Prime time is the man

Rams select Hugh Douglas and shift him to DT to finish off their defence

DT - Rod Coleman, to round out my Defensive Line.

Since I've done this with the guard and fullback position, I'll also be the first to pick from a certain position again: The Eagles select K Adam Vinatieri.

God speed to whoever decides to take the other top tier kicker of the NFL. I felt as though getting Vinatieri now was worth it.

WR Steve Smith. I would've liked to take a fullback or tight end or maybe even a special teams player with this pick, but after I saw Bruce go one pick before I was going to take him, I'm taking no chances.

The Falcons welcome back DT Rod Coleman

Chirs Chambers

49ers select LB Napolean Harris and move him to OLB because of his athleticism(sp?).

Since I've done this with the guard and fullback position, I'll also be the first to pick from a certain position again: The Eagles select K Adam Vinatieri.

God speed to whoever decides to take the other top tier kicker of the NFL. I felt as though getting Vinatieri now was worth it.

Darn :madfire:

Sorry guys.. in the middle of moving and such so i'm netless on the weekend.

For the picks that I missed I'll take TE Jason Witten and G Mike Wahle

49ers select FB Tony Richardson.

49ers select FB Tony Richardson.

It wasn't your pick I believe.. I was making mine that were skipped over

Well I thought I took Rod Coleman last round, but I guess jtuzzi took him just a couple picks before. Not sure how I missed that. But anyways,


The Falcons DT Albert Haynesworth

It wasn't your pick I believe.. I was making mine that were skipped over

I was going by the 15 hour rule since I made my last pick at 10:34 last night.

David Akers

FB Mack Strong and SS Mike Minter

The Falcons select K Jason Elam

Colts select K Mike Vanderjagt

Elam over Vanderjagt is mind boggling Dub...

Elam over Vanderjagt is mind boggling Dub...

Not really

Elam over Vanderjagt is mind boggling Dub...

Vanderjagt can't do kickoffs and he's a dome kicker, so naturally all of his stats of his career are basically inflated compared to most other kickers.

Eagles select OLB Shawn Barber.

Vanderjagt can't do kickoffs and he's a dome kicker, so naturally all of his stats of his career are basically inflated compared to most other kickers.

While that's true, he's still the all-time accuracy leader, and holds a very long consecutive field goals record. He's having an off year this year, but that could be because he doesn't attempt many field goals because of the offense. He also seemed to lose alot of confidence after he missed that one boot on opening night in swirling winds. If Manning wouldn't have gotten sacked, that streak might still be going as we speak.

Elam's good too, though. I'd take Vanderjagt over him, but then again, I'm a Colts fan in Canada. I don't see all that much difference in the top four selected here, though.

Jtuzzi's time is up.

By the way, I wouldn't put all 4 kickers in the same tier. Akers and Vinatieri are on a whole new level....Vintatieri probably gets the slight nod for field goals, but Akers could be considered the best all-around kicker in the NFL because he's also great at kickoffs (not to mention 2nd all-time in field goal accuracy).

ryan longwell.

Damn kickers going left and right I'll take the next best one K Matt Stover

Sebastien Janikowski

San Diego Chargers select FB Lorenzo Neal and C Casey Wiegmann

Bears select, one of their own - G Ruben Brown

Rams select Tom Ashworth OT

OG - Ryan Demulling

Eagles select OLB Peter Sirmon.

TE Marcus Pollard

Falcons welcome back G Roberto Garza

P Shane Lechler

49ers select K Jeff Wilkens

15 hour rule up for Bauldie. Still need my 2nd WR but seems like everyone else has that filled so my guy will still be there when its time for my last pick. I'll take the best P still avalible. 49ers select P Todd Sauerbrun.

Keyshawn Johnson to finish up the offense. A highly over-rated player, but one of the best possession recievers in the game.

If you are going to have an immobile big-armed inexperienced QB, you better give him protection and a whole lot of options...

Keyshawn Johnson to finish up the offense. A highly over-rated player, but one of the best possession recievers in the game.

If you are going to have an immobile big-armed inexperienced QB, you better give him protection and a whole lot of options...

Are we drafting 3 receivers? I thought we were only drafting from the base formations: (2wr, rb/fb, TE) and (4-3 defense).

Yeah, I was under the impression that we are drafting only 2 wideouts.

Though I guess as long as you're only drafting 11 offensive players, then it doesnt really matter.

Are we drafting 3 receivers? I thought we were only drafting from the base formations: (2wr, rb/fb, TE) and (4-3 defense).

All depends on what you use as your base formations. Lots of different looks for an offense. A 3-4 Defense or a 4-3 defense. A 2-RB set or 2-TE/3 WR set.

I decided on a 3-WR set once I got Leftwich. I didn't think you were limited to a specific offensive or defensive set.

All depends on what you use as your base formations. Lots of different looks for an offense. A 3-4 Defense or a 4-3 defense. A 2-RB set or 2-TE/3 WR set.

I decided on a 3-WR set once I got Leftwich. I didn't think you were limited to a specific offensive or defensive set.

Thats true. Now that I see it, you dont have a FB. Makes sense.

I didn't think you were limited to a specific offensive or defensive set.

Nope, not at all. Thats why we could draft MLB's and move them to OLB's, its your team and your formation.

Nice work JC.

Falcons select P Chris Mohr


So we're allowed to select 3 WR's now? Or what's going on?

Falcons select P Chris Mohr


So we're allowed to select 3 WR's now? Or what's going on?

It's up to you. You can either have 1 RB and 1 FB, or 1 RB and 3 WR's.

It's up to you. You can either have 1 RB and 1 FB, or 1 RB and 3 WR's.
thats weak
I wouldn't have selected Alstott if I knew you could do that.

What is weak about it? It was clear you had the option of selecting a FB from day one....just take a look at the outline for a team on the first post of the thread.

Going with singleback offense, so I pick the future of these Colts in WR Larry Fitzgerald!

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to brag about this one....

Eagles select who has been one of the best guards in the entire NFL for the Chargers this year, and who everyone apparently forgot about: G Toniu Fonoti.

I <3 my offensive line.

P - Mitch Berger.

Rams finish out offense with Roman Oben OT

Reg Wayne

Time's up for Herby.

Seattle selects K Josh Brown and P Tom Tupa

Punter Dave Zastudul

Rams and Chargers both OTC...

Come on guys, we only have a round left, lets get this finished so we can compare the teams.

If either ATG or Jtuzzi doesnt make a selection by 11 tonight, then Im drafting. This is getting ridiculous.

If either ATG or Jtuzzi doesnt make a selection by 11 tonight, then Im drafting. This is getting ridiculous.
I thought i was done drafting,, sorry.
ill send my pick in soon.

C - Jeff Hartings

Eagles select P Brad Maynard.

Rams select P Matt Turk.Sorry guys didn't think it was my turn again so quickly

Herc and the Colts select P Hunter Smith

Well I see I got skipped over in Round 24?? Not sure how that happened. But I'll pick anyways.


The Falcons decide to go with a singleback formation, and therefore, to round out their receiving core, select WR Santana Moss

Ken Hamlin to round out the secondary

49ers select WR Amani Toomer to finish up the offense.

Chargers finish up their draft with K Shayne Graham and P Josh Miller

positions(Defensive)

RE-Dwight Freeney(Indy)
LE-Adewayle Ogunleye(Chicago)
DT-Corey Simon(Philly)
DT-Shaun Rogers(Detroit)
ROLB-Keith Brooking(Atlanta)
MLB-Brian Urlacher(Chicago)
LOLB-Anthony Simmons(Seattle)
FS-Mike Brown(Chicago)
SS-Rodney Harrison(New England)
CB-Ronde Barber(Tampa)
CB-Aaron Glenn(Houston)

Offensive
QB-Peyton Manning(Indy)
RB-Clinton Portis(Washington)
RT-Kyle Turley(St.Louis)
RG-Dan Niel(Denver)
C-Kevin Mawae(Ney York Jets)
LG-Jeff Saturday(Indy)
LT-Tarik Glenn(Indy)
TE-Marcus Pollard(Indy)
WR-Hines Ward(Pittsburgh)
WR-Steve Smith(Carolina)
WR-Larry Fitzgerald(Arizona)

special
K-Mike Vanderjagt(Indy)
P-Hunter Smith(Indy)


Overall, I think I did very well. Still a bit shocked I got Manning fifth overall, but I guess getting the guy you would've picked first overall later in the draft really helps out your game plan alot.

Defense

FS - Tebuckey Jones
SS - Sammy Knight
CB - Marcus Trufant
CB - 'Dre Ble
OLB - Chad Brown
MLB - Ian Gold
OLB - Terrell Suggs
DE - Jevon Kearse
DT - Dewanye Robertson
DT - Rod Coleman
DE - Aaron Schobel

Offense

QB - Chad Pennington

LT - Walter Jones
LG - Ryan Demulling
C - Jeff Hartings
RG - Brian Waters
RT - Matt Light

RB - Priest Holmes
FB - Mike Alsott

WR - Eric Moulds
WR - Terrell Owens
TE - Todd Heap

K - Ryan Longwell
P - Mitch Berger

QB- Leftwich
RB- McAllister
WR- Moss
WR- Chambers
WR- Keyshawn Johnson

TE- Kleinsasser

LOT- Thomas
LG- Davis
C- Bentley
RG- W.Anderson
RT- McKinnie

The offense is built for a pass-first attack. Have 4 OTs on the line to offer excellent pass protection plus arguably the best blocking TE in the game. With an inexperienced and so-so QB (relatively speaking), giving him time is essential. To go with that, giving him targets is as well. The 3-WR set has the best WR in the game, a top-end possession guy in Keyshawn and a great depth threat in Chambers. Boosting that is one of the best receiving RBs in the game in McAllister and a quality check-down option in Kleinsasser.

The rushing offense isn't neglected. With 4 340+ pound maulers on the line and one of the most athletic pulling interior linemen in the game (great at pulling for sweeps) plus the 270-odd pounds of blocking tyranny in Kleinsasser, McAllister's 230-pound frame should have ample room to roam.

Size-wise, I think teams will be hard-pressed to match the size and strength of this squad. All 3 WRs are over 205. Sauce is one of the biggest TEs in the game. The OL averages in the 330-range. McAllister plays at 230. Just to top it off, there is a 240-some pound QB behind it. It is an offense than can cause major problems for a small defense, but still has the athleticism to take on faster ones.

DT- Hampton
DT- Kevin Williams
LDE- Kevin Carter
RDE- Charles Grant

LOLB- Spikes
MLB- Wilson
ROLB- Barnett

SS- Tank Williams
FS- Hamlin
CB- Bailey
CB- Woodson

The defense is also built with size and aggression in mind. The front-4 have the size to handle the rush well. Hampton is the best NT in the game and will free up Williams to go nutz in the back-field. Having Kevin Carter gives the line a top-end LDE who is as good against the run as it is against the pass. Grant is the smallest and fastest of the crew and is the speed rusher. Tank Williams serves as a run-stuffing and intimidating physical presence over the middle. He can't turn and run with WRs and will sit mainly in a zone scheme. Kicking in at >220, he can also be a very effective blitzer. Hamlin is the other bash brother in the middle. One of the hardest hitting FS in the league, he is also a notable playmaker. Bailey and Woodson are two of the more physical CBs in the league, but have the speed and instincts to cover man-to-man. With two man-cover CBs, the safeties will be free to emphasize their strengths with minimal support in coverage. The LBs are built for athleticism, all three are exceedingly fast and aggressive. With the line in front of them and the DBs behind them, the are free to fly to the play. Overall, this is a big, physical defense that will really wear down offenses.

K- Akers
P- Lechler

Two of the best in the game. Akers is an all-weather threat and one of the most dependable in the game. Lechler set the NFL record for longest punt average for a season. He has the strongest leg in the NFL and enough control to make it dangerous.

Overall, I am pleased. I think my weakest position is easily QB, but think the talent around him will off-set that.

Defense
RE-Bertrand Berry(Arizona)
LE-Kabeer Gbaja Biamila(Green Bay)
DT-Tim Bowens(Miami)
DT-Hugh Douglas(Philidelphia)
ROLB-Joey Porter(Pittsburgh)
MLB-Peter Boulware(Baltimore)
LOLB-LaVar Arrington(Washington)
FS-Brian Dawkins(Philidelphia)
SS-Ed Reed(Baltimore)
CB-Shawn Springs(Washington)
CB-Sam Madison(Miami)

Offensive
QB-Ben Roethlisberger(Pittsburgh)
RB-Ladainian Tomlinson (San Diego)
FB-Rueben Droughns(Denver)
RT-Tom Ashworth(New England)
RG-Damien Woody(Detroit)
C-Olin Kreutz(Chicago)
LG-Roman Oben (San Diego)
LT-Levi Jones(Chicago)
TE-Jeremy Shockey(New York Giants)
WR-Marvin Harrison(Indianapolis)
WR-Plaxico Buress(Pittsburgh)


special
K-Matt Stover(Baltimore)
P-Matt Turk(Miami)

QB-Brett Favre(Green Bay)
HB-Edgerrian James (Indianapolis)
FB-Tony Richardson (KC)

WR-Chad Johnson (Cincinatti)
WR-Amani Toomer (New York G)
TE- Randy Mcmichael (Miami)

OT-Flozell Adams (Dallas)
OG-Will Shields (KC)
C-Jeremy Newberry (SF)
OG-Chris Villarial (Buffalo)
OT-Chris Samuels (Washington)

My strategy for the o-line was to find guys who werent good at one thing and poor at the other, but solid at both. Samuels isnt the biggest T, but he is solid in positioning. Flozell is the beast LOT who is a dominant run blocker but can neutralize pass threats at the same time. Shields and Villarial may be a bit older, but are two of the best guards in the league. Newberry is one of the best Cs in the NFC and is very good at reading blitzes. Favre is a guy I would want to win any ball game because he can lead an offense in any situation and has a cannon of an arm. Not the most accurate QB, but easily the most durable and the best leader in the huddle. Edge is a threat to rush for 150 yards every game and running behind Flozell and Shields he could have some huge days, also a threat out of the backfield in the receiving game. Chad Johnson is the best WR in the game no one talks about. He has the physical tools to be included with the likes of TO. Toomer wasnt my ideal #2, but he is a good deep threat for Favre to go to. Mcmichael is one of the best receiving TEs in the game, although hes not that good at blocking as some of the others. I'm pretty happy with my offense. There were a few guys at #2 WR I wanted that were taken I wanted. I didnt get a franchise OT like Pace or Ogden, but still did pretty good on the OL.

DE-Leonard Little (St. Louis)
DT-Kris Jenkins (Carolina)
DT-Ted Washington (Oakland)
DE-Trevor Pryce (Denver)

OLB-Napolean Harris (Oakland)
MLB-Ray Lewis (Baltimore)
OLB-Julian Peterson (SF)

CB-Ty Law (New England)
S- Corey Chavous (Minnesota)
S- Donovan Darius (Jacksonville)
CB- Nate Clements (Buffalo)

I think the strength of my team is in my front 7, particulary down the middle. Upfront I have Ted Washington a monster in the middle who is one of the best run stuffers in the league, with the best DT in the league Kris Jenkins next to him leaving a question of who you are going to double team. On the outside I have Little who has quickness on the outside and Pryce is a power guy who has very good speed. I snatched up 2 of the best LBs in the league in Lewis and Peterson. Ray is the best LB in the league and the leader of the defense. Peterson is one of the best OLBs in the league and can be effective in a blitz or covering the TE or RB. Harris is a MLB with good speed I moved to the outside who can cover if Peterson blitzes or can blitz from the outside as well. All my LBs have sideline to sideline speed so I'm happy with that. I think my DTs will be able to free them up for blitzes that can give QBs fits. Law and Clements are guys who excel at man to man coverage and with the blitzes can shut down a WR long enough for the LBs to get through to the QB. Darius is a hard hitter who isnt a good cover guy but can break up passes with his hits. Chavous is a ballhawk safety that can make plays and is a good tackler. I like my defense better than my offense. I didnt get an elite safety, but I got two good safeties. My strategy will be blitzing guys from everywhere and I've got two corners who play well in man that fit the scheme.

K-Jeff Wilkens (St. Louis)
P-Todd Sauerbraun (Carolina)

Wilkens was the best K left at the time and has good accuracy. Not affected much by kicking outside th dome. Sauerbraun is one of the best punters in the league.

There are some places I think I could have done better in, but I think I did a pretty good job. I might not have the best team, but I think I have one of the top 3 teams.

Defense
DE- Patrick Kerney
DE- Chike Okeafor
DT- Albert Haynesworth
DT- Anthony McFarland
OLB- London Fletcher
MLB- Jamie Sharper
OLB- Mike Vrabel
FS- Troy Polamalu
SS- Bryan Scott
CB- Nick Harper
CB- Terrence McGee

Overall, I'm pretty happy with my D. Some positions, I could've done better. But I feel what I came out with is fairly strong. I especially like my LB core & safeties.

Offensive
QB- Donovan McNabb
RB- Ahman Green
T- Chad Clifton
G- Joe Andruzzi
C- Mike Flanagan
G- Roberto Garza
T- Robert Gallery
TE- Alge Crumpler
WR- Torry Holt
WR- Roy Williams
WR- Santana Moss

I am extremely pleased with my Offense. McNabb is playing behind a solid line, & I got him 3 excellent receivers to go to. Crump is a great option at TE also. And with Ahman in the backfield, rushing the ball is always an option.

Special
K- Jason Elam
P- Chris Mohr
KR/PR- Terrence McGee/Santana Moss

Happy with special teams. Elam is one of the best in the game, indoors & out. A punter is a punter. My returners can dangle around tacklers & are quick as hell.

Defence
RE-Simeon Rice
DT-Warren Sapp
DT-Bryant Young
LE-Mike Strahan

OLB-Keith Bullock
MLB-Donnie Edwards
OLB-James Farrior

CB-Pat Surtain
CB-Deion Sanders
FS-Adam Archuleta
SS-Tony Parrish

I like my defence - simple as that. My line is one of the best in the draft, my 3 linebackers are all underrated around the league (Farrior was until this year, where he's getting some MVP consideration), and Surtain is about as good as it gets outside of Bailey, Law, and McCallister.

Offense
QB-Steve McNair
RB-Shaun Alexander
T-John Tait
G-Ruben Brown
C-Matt Birk
G-Jermane Mayberry
T-Jon Runyan
TE-Tony Gonzalez
WR-Andre Johnson
WR-Reggie Wayne
WR-Laverneous Coles

I think its safe to say that my receiving core - along with TE Gonzalez, would give opposing defence's brain damage. My O-line is also stacked, all 5 of them are pro-bowl calibre and great combinations of run/pass blocking. Alexander will keep defences honest with the running game - so no Fb shouldn't hurt too much here.

Many football experts will tell you that it all starts with the offensive and defensive lines. I let that line of thinking drive my decisions, and the caliber of my O-Line and D-Line reflect that.

Offense

QB- Tom Brady
RB- Jamal Lewis
FB- Fred Beasley
WR- Anquan Boldin
WR- Isaac Bruce

TE- Eric Johnson

T- Orlando Pace
G- Alan Faneca
C- Tom Nalen
G- Toniu Fonoti
T- Brad Hopkins

I love my offensive line. Best guard and 2nd best tackle in all of football. My O-Line combined with one of the best guys at pounding the ball in Lewis and the best fullback in football creates what has to be the best running game of any of the 10 teams here. Other than that, clutch quaterback, decent (although not amazing) wideouts and good tight end create a passing game that isn't extraordinary, but can easily get the job done.

I think my offensive definetely resembles that of the Chiefs offense.

Defense

DE- Jason Taylor
DT- Richard Seymour
DT- Marcus Stroud
DE- Grant Wistrom

OLB- Peter Sirmon
MLB- Ted Bruschi
OLB- Shawn Barber

FS- Roy Williams
SS- Michael Lewis
CB- Antoine Winfield
CB- Samari Rolle

Again, my defensive line is godly. One of the 2 or 3 best ends in football with Taylor, and two of the 3 best interior lineman with Richard Seymour and Marcus Stroud. Taylor and Seymour on the same side gaurantees that double teaming of both will never happen and one of the two will get free in a rather short amount of time.

My corners are another strength of my defense, with Winfield (who is never talked about only because he is on a horrible defense) and Rolle (pretty much same situation as Winfield now).

All in all, I think it's safe to say no passing game in football could get a rythym going against my defense.

K- Adam Vinatieri
P- Brad Maynard

Most clutch kicker in NFL history, and consistent and experienced punter. Enough said.

By the way, I think we should decide once the final picks are made who has the best in each of the categories:
-Quaterback
-Offensive line (includes FB)
-Recieving Corp (Includes TEs)
-Defensive line
-Linebacker Corp
-Secondary

Then, we can eventually decide who has the best overall offense, best overall defense, and best overall team.

Lastly, I think for kicks we should try to come together to make a football dream team consisting of what 24-25 players we think could make up the best football team possible.

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Some things I'd like to compliment other teams for:

-monster_bertuzzi's linebacker corp is awesome. Farrior and Edwards were taken a lot lower than he would now if we re-did the draft, and Bulluck is easiy one of the 5 best outside linebackers in the game today. You spell like a 3rd grader, but you definitely picked brilliantly on this one.
-JCD's overall defense. Two shutdown corners, solid linebackers, and you still managed to make your D-Line one of the better ones in the draft.
-jtuzzi21's passing game. Owens was worth the first round pick, Moulds is still playing well despite the fact that he has aged quite a bit since his prime, and Heap is still one of the best TEs in the game. Pennington can also throw to two capable backs in Holmes and Alstott when the wideouts are covered.

I love my offensive line. Best guard and 2nd best tackle in all of football.

Walter Jones is on your team? ;)

Some things I'd like to compliment other teams for:

-monster_bertuzzi's linebacker corp is awesome. Farrior and Edwards were taken a lot lower than he would now if we re-did the draft, and Bulluck is easiy one of the 5 best outside linebackers in the game today. You spell like a 3rd grader, but you definitely picked brilliantly on this one.


I would take Hockeyfans LB's over monster's but would still take my three LB's over their's.I think secondary wise im pretty solid especially at the FS and SS positions.I do like several teams D-Line's though including ur's Steve

You're right, HockeyFan probably has the best linebackers (hell, he's only missing Brooks to make up the ultimate linebacker setup)....but I was giving m_b props for having such great linebackers and picking them in the middle of the draft.

You're right, HockeyFan probably has the best linebackers (hell, he's only missing Brooks to make up the ultimate linebacker setup)....but I was giving m_b props for having such great linebackers and picking them in the middle of the draft.

Napolean Harris is a big drop off though compared to Lewis and Peterson.I think I come up on top LB because of that weak link as I really don't have on my LB line

Arrington:Pro Bowl Player
Porter:Leader of Pittsburgh defense and could be a pro ball player
Boulware:A notch below Lewis but not by a wide margin

Also another way we could vote on these things is by simply having someone run each team's players through a sim season on Madden 2005 or NFL 2K5(Fantasy Draft) with injuries off and see which team ends up with the best overall record.And have an outsider do it so no bias is invloved or a trusted manager.Thoughts?

Seattle selects T Jason Fabini

Steve, is Pace really head and shoulders better than Jones? I know for a fact that some ''experts'' consider Jones the best lineman in the game.

Steve, is Pace really head and shoulders better than Jones? I know for a fact that some ''experts'' consider Jones the best lineman in the game.

Which is why I took him.

I found some more computer time, so I'll give my analysis of my team:


Offense:

At QB, it's as good as it gets. Manning is the best QB out there, no question. The rest isn't too shabby, either. The line is also very talented. Glenn and Turley are two of the better tackles in the game. Niel is a very good guard, while Saturday is a great center. Mawae is the best center in the game for my money. My receiving core is also very nice IMO. Ward is IMO the best WR not named Owens, Harrison, or Moss. Smith is also very talented, but unfortunately, we didn't get to see what he can do because of his injury. Fitzgerald is a great third option, and is obviously the future. Pollard is also a very good receiving TE.


Defense:

My defense is as simple as it gets. I have two of the most talented pass rushers in the game in Freeney and Ogunleye on the ends, and two solid two-way tackles in Simon and Rogers. My linebackers are built to stop the run, with the best MLB not named Lewis leading the way. Brooking and Simmons, my two very talented OLBs, can also play the middle, so running to the outside isn't as effective. In the secondary, I have two talented corners who can shut down other teams' top receivers, and intercept the ball. Brown is a very solid FS, and Harrison is arguably the best SS in the game.


Special Teams:

My special teams aren't anything special, but they're still very, very good. Smith has a very nice punting average, and if my offense can produce, he wouldn't be used all that much, anyway. Vanderjagt is also one of the better kickers in the game(the most accurate in NFL history), and can be counted on. He might not be as clutch as Vinateri, but at the same time, he's never been given the chances to be clutch that Vinateri has. Glenn and others can also be effective KRs, so it's all good.

I found some more computer time, so I'll give my analysis of my team:


Offense:

At QB, it's as good as it gets. Manning is the best QB out there, no question. The rest isn't too shabby, either. The line is also very talented. Glenn and Turley are two of the better tackles in the game. Niel is a very good guard, while Saturday is a great center. Mawae is the best center in the game for my money. My receiving core is also very nice IMO. Ward is IMO the best WR not named Owens, Harrison, or Moss. Smith is also very talented, but unfortunately, we didn't get to see what he can do because of his injury. Fitzgerald is a great third option, and is obviously the future. Pollard is also a very good receiving TE.


Defense:

My defense is as simple as it gets. I have two of the most talented pass rushers in the game in Freeney and Ogunleye on the ends, and two solid two-way tackles in Simon and Rogers. My linebackers are built to stop the run, with the best MLB not named Lewis leading the way. Brooking and Simmons, my two very talented OLBs, can also play the middle, so running to the outside isn't as effective. In the secondary, I have two talented corners who can shut down other teams' top receivers, and intercept the ball. Brown is a very solid FS, and Harrison is arguably the best SS in the game.

Special Teams:

My special teams aren't anything special, but they're still very, very good. Smith has a very nice punting average, and if my offense can produce, he wouldn't be used all that much, anyway. Vanderjagt is also one of the better kickers in the game(the most accurate in NFL history), and can be counted on. He might not be as clutch as Vinateri, but at the same time, he's never been given the chances to be clutch that Vinateri has. Glenn and others can also be effective KRs, so it's all good.

Ed Reed>Rodney Harrison

Ed Reed>Rodney Harrison

I didn't say Harrison is better, but I said you could make a case for Harrison. If you think Reed is clearly better and there's no question otherwise, you're out of your tree.

Once Herb makes his final two picks we could either: A)discuss our teams amongst ourselves or, B)Poll our fellow hf posters asking who won the draft.

Thoughts?

Once Herb makes his final two picks we could either: A)discuss our teams amongst ourselves or, B)Poll our fellow hf posters asking who won the draft.

Thoughts?

I thought Herb made his picks a few pages ago.....

Chargers finish up their draft with K Shayne Graham and P Josh Miller

I didn't say Harrison is better, but I said you could make a case for Harrison. If you think Reed is clearly better and there's no question otherwise, you're out of your tree.

Harrison strength is more in his ability to come to the line and make a tackle.Reed is the better cover SS though

so....

By the way, I think we should decide once the final picks are made who has the best in each of the categories:
-Quaterback
-Offensive line (includes FB)
-Recieving Corp (Includes TEs)
-Defensive line
-Linebacker Corp
-Secondary


I wont pick my own team for any of these...

* Quarterback - Herc_Rock with Peyton Manning

* Offensive Line - JCD (including Kleinsasser) If we're not including TE's, then Obeysteve and Herby have the best pure O-line's.

* Recieving corps - Tuzzi'

* Defensive line - Obeysteve (by far)

* Linebacker corps - Hockeyfan02 (Would be A T G, but he had Boulware playing MLB, Boulware is a pass-rushing OLB historically).

* Secondary - Alex the great, by faaar. The thought of Reed and Dawkins in the same backfield is frightening.

* Overall Defence - Herb

* Overall Offence - Tuzzi'

I wont pick my own team for any of these...

* Quarterback - Herc_Rock with Peyton Manning

* Offensive Line - JCD (including Kleinsasser) If we're not including TE's, then Obeysteve and Herby have the best pure O-line's.

* Recieving corps - Tuzzi'

* Defensive line - Obeysteve (by far)

* Linebacker corps - Hockeyfan02 (Would be A T G, but he had Boulware playing MLB, Boulware is a pass-rushing OLB historically).

* Secondary - Alex the great, by faaar. The thought of Reed and Dawkins in the same backfield is frightening.

* Overall Defence - Herb

* Overall Offence - Tuzzi'

Good point do you think it would have been better moving Arrington or Porter to MLB

Not picking mine for any of these


* Quarterback - Herc....Peyton>all

* Offensive Line -Obey Steve....Pace, Faneca, and Nalen

* Recieving corps - M_B, I included RBs in this

* Defensive line - Obeysteve...Top notch DEs and DTs

* Linebacker corps - ATG...I think he and I have the best corps

* Secondary - JCD....Woodson and Bailey, two of the best shut down corners.

* Overall Defence - Herb and Herc are close IMO. Herc by a hair

* Overall Offence - M_B...Plenty of weapons for Mcnair, Alexander can be a threat out of the back field.

My "dream team":
QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Ladanian Tomlinson
FB-Fred Beasley
WR-Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens
T-Walter Jones, Johnathen Ogden
G-Will Shields, Brian Waters
C- Jeremy Newberry
TE: Tony Gonzalez

DE-Jason Taylor, Julius Peppers
DT-Marcus Stroud, Kris Jenkins
OLB-Julian Peterson,Derrick Brooks
MLB- Ray Lewis
CB-Champ Bailey, Ty Law, Chris Mcallister
S- Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins

K-Adam Vinetari
P-Lechler

Good point do you think it would have been better moving Arrington or Porter to MLB

Yeah, I would have put Arrington at MLB. He's one of the physical 'freaks' of the NFL and could easily adjust to MLB.

My "dream team":
QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Ladanian Tomlinson
FB-Fred Beasley
WR-Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens
T-Walter Jones, Johnathen Ogden
G-Will Shields, Brian Waters
C- Jeremy Newberry

DE-Jason Taylor, Michael Strahan
DT-Marcus Stroud, Kris Jenkins
OLB-Julian Peterson,Derrick Brooks
MLB- Ray Lewis
CB-Champ Bailey, Ty Law, Chris Mcallister
S- Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins

K-Adam Vinetari
P-Lechler

Nice list, but I'd put Orlando Pace in instead of Walter Jones, Alan Faneca instead ofm Brian Waters, and Olin Kreutz or Kevin Mawae instead of Jeremy Newberry.

My "dream team":
QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Ladanian Tomlinson
FB-Fred Beasley
WR-Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens
T-Walter Jones, Johnathen Ogden
G-Will Shields, Brian Waters
C- Jeremy Newberry

DE-Jason Taylor, Michael Strahan
DT-Marcus Stroud, Kris Jenkins
OLB-Julian Peterson,Derrick Brooks
MLB- Ray Lewis
CB-Champ Bailey, Ty Law, Chris Mcallister
S- Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins

K-Adam Vinetari
P-Lechler

Nice. Id have Kearse instead of Taylor, Seymour instead of Jenkins, Birk instead of Newberry, and Faneca instead of Waters.

Jones is better than Pace, Steve. :teach:

You know I looked over my dream team and realized: A) I didnt have a TE and B) I forgot about Julius Peppers so I switched him in for Strahan.

It's become really unclear who the best defensive end in football is.

I'd say 5 guys are pretty much head and shoulders above the rest, but in no real specific order: Michael Strahan, Jevon Kearse, Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, and Jason Taylor.

Peppers has been extremely impressive this year. Him and Kearse are the only ends who are great at pass rushing, but can also back up into coverage and have huge arms to consistently block passes and tackle well.

It's become really unclear who the best defensive end in football is.

I'd say 5 guys are pretty much head and shoulders above the rest, but in no real specific order: Michael Strahan, Jevon Kearse, Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, and Jason Taylor.

Peppers has been extremely impressive this year. Him and Kearse are the only ends who are great at pass rushing, but can also back up into coverage and have huge arms to consistently block passes and tackle well.

I agree.Peppers and Kearse should be at the top.They are both physical freaks and Peppers even plays WR.

Strahan is not only the best DE at getting sacks, he's also one of - if not the best tackling DE in the league. Hence Strahan still being the clear #1.

John Abraham and Simeon Rice are pretty close to that elite 5 that Steve mentioned.