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Hab-a-maniac 09-27-2004, 08:01 PM 1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Lindros
4. Yzerman
5. Messier
6. Hull
7. Sakic
8. Selanne
9. Bourque
10. Gretzky-Hey, he was still great for the first half of the decade.
Verbal Kint* 09-27-2004, 08:10 PM 1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Lindros
4. Yzerman
5. Messier
6. Hull
7. Sakic
8. Selanne
9. Bourque
10. Gretzky-Hey, he was still great for the first half of the decade.
Where are the goalies?
Zetterberg4Captain* 09-27-2004, 08:14 PM 1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Hull
4. Yzerman
5. Fedorov
6. Roy
7. Brodeur
8. Selanne
9. Lindros
10. Kariya
Burnaby_Joe* 09-27-2004, 08:34 PM 1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Hull
4. Yzerman
5. Fedorov
6. Roy
7. Brodeur
8. Selanne
9. Lindros
10. Kariya
No Sakic :dunno:
Roughneck 09-27-2004, 08:41 PM No Bure?
1. Lemieux 2. Jagr 3. Roy 4. Hull 5. Sakic 6. Bourque 7. Messier 8. Bure 9. Broduer 10. MacInnis (so under-rated)
Jacques Plante 09-27-2004, 08:48 PM 1.Lemieux
2.Roy
3.Jagr
4. Hasek
5.Gretzky
6.Hull
7.Bourque
8.Sakic
9.Messier
10.Bure
VanIslander 09-27-2004, 08:51 PM Dominik Hasek (5 times best goalie, 2 times league MVP)
Mario Lemieux
Jaromir Jagr
Mark Messier
Raymond Bourque
Patrik Roy
Steve Yzerman
Wayne Gretzky
Chris Chelios
Brett Hull
Verbal Kint* 09-27-2004, 08:51 PM 1. Lemieux
2. Hasek
3. Jagr
4. Lindros
5. Roy
6. Hull
7. Bourque
8. Federov
9. Bure
10. Yzerman
Jacques Plante 09-27-2004, 08:55 PM I look and on everyones list Jagr is near the top. He was just so dominant back then, and he still could be if he wanted to. What a waste.
Luigi Lemieux 09-27-2004, 10:34 PM 1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Hasek
4. Roy
5. Gretzky
6. Hull
7. Selanne
8. Bourque
9. Yzerman
10. Bure
I look and on everyones list Jagr is near the top. He was just so dominant back then, and he still could be if he wanted to. What a waste.
To true. I think that the Pens overly coddled him for so long that he became bratty. I just can't understand how he can go from one of the best players ever to just a good player in such a short amout of time. I'm also slapping myself for forgeting about Hasek and Lidstrom. Some other that should at least get a mention are Larry Murphy, Cam Neely, Adam Oates, Brian Leech, Peter Bondra, Scott Stevens, Ed Belfour, Ron Francis, Doug Gilmour, and Pat Lafontaine.
Luigi Lemieux 09-27-2004, 10:41 PM I look and on everyones list Jagr is near the top. He was just so dominant back then, and he still could be if he wanted to. What a waste.
i don't think he can be as dominant anymore even if he wanted to. he's almost 33, and he's lost that special something that made him extra elite. it's hard to explain what it is, but from watching him play you can tell he's not the same guy on the ice, regardless of what he does off the ice.
Edler Statesman* 09-28-2004, 12:02 AM 1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Hasek
4. Bourque
5. Hull
6. Gretzky
7. Roy
8. Lindros
9. Sakic
10. Chelios
HM: Brodeur, Leetch, Neely, Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Bure, Selanne, Messier, Kariya, Shanahan, Mogilny, Coffey
Lundmark17 09-28-2004, 12:36 AM Man this is an unfair topic, but I guess a lot of good players are going to be left out.
1. Mario Lemiuex - Dominanted when in the lineup. He was unreal.
2. Jaromir Jagr - A bunch of Art Ross trophies, a couple of cups
3. Wayne Gretzky - Early 90s was amazing, mid 90s great, late 90 still a good player
4. Patrick Roy - Two cups, Vezinas. There was nothing he hasn't done
5. Eric Lindros - Despite injury problems, he was a dominant force
6. Pavel Bure - Simply electrifying even with all his knee problems
7. Dominik Hasek - Saying that he was unstoppable at times was an understatement
8. Joe Sakic - Truly came into his own with his Cup win
9. Steve Yzerman - Just like Sakic, the Stanley Cups put him into the elite category
10. Brett Hull - Easily the best shooter of the 90s
This is in not much of an order, just a general one. Guys like Bourque, Broduer (really coming into his own in since the turn or the century), and some many others could easily be on this list.
VO #23 09-28-2004, 12:52 AM 1. Jaromir Jagr
2. Mario Lemieux (would be #1 if not for the seasons lost to injury/retirement)
3. Eric Lindros
4. Patrick Roy
5. Pavel Bure
6. Ray Bourque
7. Al MacInnis
8. Wayne Gretzky
9. Brett Hull
10. Joe Sakic
revolverjgw 09-28-2004, 09:19 PM 1- Jaromir Jagr
2- Mario Lemieux
3- Patrick Roy
4- Wayne Gretzky
5- Ray Bourque
6- Joe Sakic
7- Dominik Hasek
8- Mark Messier
9- Steve Yzerman
10- Eric Lindros
Hard to leave Brodeur, Bure, Belfour et al off, but... stiff competition. I'm glad to see Al Mac make some of these lists. He might be my number 11.
And how in the world is Gretzky not making some of these lists? From 90-91 to 98-99, he was THE highest scorer, period, above Jagr, who only passes him because he played one more season, played more games, and on FARRRR better teams. Give him linemates two thirds as good as Jagrs and Wayne is number 1, no problem (Yachmenev? Sundstrom? MacLean? Granato?). And only Mario and Patrick had a playoff up there with Wayne's '93 performance (Sakic's was close, but he had tons of help, whereas LA only made it because Wayne supplied twice as much offense as any other King). '97 was also stellar, too, quietly better than anyone else, sans Mario, Sakic and Roy, considering the circumstances. It's not like he was Mark Messier or Ron Francis or Adam Oates... he was still an offensive superstar. (everything that could go wrong in '99, DID go wrong... lighten his painful burden even a tad and give him a decent linemate, and he'd still be nipping at 100 points, until he retired).
Jacques Plante 09-28-2004, 09:41 PM And how in the world is Gretzky not making some of these lists? From 90-91 to 98-99, he was THE highest scorer, period, above Jagr, who only passes him because he played one more season, played more games, and on FARRRR better teams. Give him linemates two thirds as good as Jagrs and Wayne is number 1, no problem (Yachmenev? Sundstrom? MacLean? Granato?). And only Mario and Patrick had a playoff up there with Wayne's '93 performance (Sakic's was close, but he had tons of help, whereas LA only made it because Wayne supplied twice as much offense as any other King). '97 was also stellar, too, quietly better than anyone else, sans Mario, Sakic and Roy, considering the circumstances. It's not like he was Mark Messier or Ron Francis or Adam Oates... he was still an offensive superstar. (everything that could go wrong in '99, DID go wrong... lighten his painful burden even a tad and give him a decent linemate, and he'd still be nipping at 100 points, until he retired).
Excellent point. He simply was the great one. During his entire career he lead his team in scoring every year except for 93 when he had the back. But in 93 he put together that rediculous playoff. He averaged over a point a game in every year of the 90's except his last (an injury plagued year). Even in the Rangers jersey he made the highlights. I can remember him sinking the Habs in OT with 2 goals from behind the net when the Rangers came in on a saturday night. All stuff I can tell my kids, one day. I'm not saying he should be #1 but he definately is top 10.
HBLee82 09-28-2004, 11:09 PM 1.Roy
2.Jagr
3.Lemieux
4. P. Bure
5.Gretzky
6.Hull
7.Bourque
8.Sakic
9.Messier
10. Yzerman
VanIslander 09-28-2004, 11:14 PM We all remember the hype, me included. We forget one of the best players whose star didn't shine so brightly because he wasn't playing in a high-profile hockey market.
Who scored the most goals in the nineties?
Peter Bondra.
Evil Homer 09-29-2004, 09:35 PM Best all around player for my money in the 90's was Peter Forsberg. Don't believe he's been on a single list.
Weezel RX7 09-29-2004, 11:36 PM Best all around player for my money in the 90's was Peter Forsberg. Don't believe he's been on a single list.
He wasnt as dominant as the players mentioned...nuff said
1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Gretzky
4. Hasek
5. Roy
6. Bourque
7. Yzerman
8. Mogilny
9. Hull
10. Fedorov
Edler Statesman* 09-30-2004, 12:04 AM Best all around player for my money in the 90's was Peter Forsberg. Don't believe he's been on a single list.
So for you, the 90s = 1998-2004?
no Oates????
:dunno: :dunno:
1990-91 - 1999-00
LW
Player - Pts
===============
Robitaille Luc - 756
Shanahan Brendan - 731
Leclair John - 615
Stevens Kevin - 597
Thomas Steve - 575
C
Player - Pts
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Oates Adam - 896
Sakic Joe - 896
Gretzky Wayne - 878
Yzerman Steve - 870
Turgeon Pierre - 827
RW
Player - Pts
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Jagr Jaromir - 958
Recchi Mark - 864
Hull Brett - 842
Fleury Theo - 818
Selanne Teemu - 729
D
Player - Pts
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Bourque Ray - 680
Leetch Brian - 640
Macinnis Al - 598
Coffey Paul - 575
Housley Phil - 572
2000-01 - 2003-04
LW
Player - Pts
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Naslund Markus - 353
Bertuzzi Todd - 297
Elias Patrik - 295
Tkachuk Keith - 280
Shanahan Brendan - 272
C
Player - Pts
=================
Sakic Joe - 342
Thornton Joe - 313
Sundin Mats - 301
Modano Mike - 290
Fedorov Sergei - 285
RW
Player - Pts
================
Jagr Jaromir - 351
Iginla Jarome - 307
Hossa Marian - 303
Alfredsson Daniel - 300
Hejduk Milan - 296
D
Player - Pts
====================
Gonchar Sergei - 241
Lidstrom Nicklas - 230
Leetch Brian - 215
Blake Rob - 206
Zubov Sergei - 192
billybob 09-30-2004, 01:33 PM 1. Jagr
2. Super Mario
3. Grezkey
4. Messier
5. Kariya
6. Bure
7. Selanne
8. Oates
9. Lindros
10. Hull/Shannhan/Lecliar/Yzerman hard to pick just ten
Ps. this is my list for players, and none are in any real order
Goalies
1. Hasek
2.Roy
3.Broduer
4.Belfour
5.Barasso
6.Joseph
jiggs 10 09-30-2004, 04:16 PM Jagr
Yzerman
Gretzky
Bure
Forsberg
Bondra
Hull
Sakic
Lidstrom
Bourque
Goalies are a different list:
Roy
Belfour
Broduer
Hasek
Evil Homer 09-30-2004, 08:41 PM So for you, the 90s = 1998-2004?
Nope. The 90’s for me started like most people - around 1990, 1991.
It is true that Forsberg hasn’t racked up the points like other forwards on this list, but he has been a superior all around player. I think of him as a Bryan Trottier for the 90’s. For that reason he compares favorably to other people listed – Kariya, Selanne, Lindros and Fedorov, for example. That is my opinion of course, as most of these posts are. I guess my real point is that he was barely listed – even as an honorable mention.
Although Forsberg hasn’t played the entire 90’s, he has been an impact player for most of it. This includes a respectable 30/86/116 year in 95/96. That was before 1998.
Or does the 1990’s for you not include that year?
Doomsday Device 09-30-2004, 08:45 PM Here are some more stats to look over.
Post-Season All Star Team Appearances from 89-90 to 98-99
C
Wayne Gretzky 5 Total (1 First Team, 4 Second Team)
Mario Lemieux 4 Total (3 First Team, 1 Second Team)
Peter Forsberg 2 Total (2 First Team)
Mark Messier 2 Total (2 First Team)
Eric Lindros 2 Total (1 First Team, 1 Second Team)
RW
Jaromir Jagr 5 Total (4 First Team, 1 Second Team)
Brett Hull 3 Total (3 First Team)
Teemu Selanne 3 Total (1 First Team, 2 Second Team)
Cam Neely 3 Total (3 Second Team)
Alexander Mogilny 2 Total (2 Second Team)
LW
John LeClair 5 Total (2 First Team, 3 Second Team)
Luc Robitaille 4 Total (3 First Team, 1 Second Team)
Paul Kariya 3 Total (3 First Team)
Kevin Stevens 3 Total (1 First Team, 2 Second Team)
Keith Tkachuk 2 Total (2 Second Team)
D
Ray Bourque 8 Total (6 First Team, 2 Second Team)
Chris Chelios 5 Total (3 First Team, 2 Second Team)
Brian Leetch 5 Total (2 First Team, 3 Second Team)
Al MacInnis 4 Total (3 First Team, 1 Second Team)
Scott Stevens 3 Total (1 First Team, 2 Second Team)
Nicklas Lidstrom 2 Total (2 First Team)
Paul Coffey 2 Total (1 First Team, 1 Second Team)
Larry Murphy 2 Total (2 Second Team)
G
Dominik Hasek 5 Total (5 First Team)
Ed Belfour 3 Total (2 First Team, 1 Second Team)
Patrick Roy 3 Total (2 First Team, 1 Second Team)
Martin Brodeur 2 Total (2 Second Team)
Most Elite Scoring Performances from 89-90 to 98-99
Top 5 in Points
Mario Lemieux 5 Seasons
Wayne Gretzky 5 Seasons
Jaromir Jagr 4 Seasons
Teemu Selanne 3 Seasons
Adam Oates 3 Seasons
Joe Sakic 3 Seasons
Peter Forsberg 3 Seasons
Brett Hull 3 Seasons
Top 5 in Goals
Brett Hull 4 Seasons
Teemu Selanne 4 Seasons
John LeClair 4 Seasons
Peter Bondra 3 Seasons
Mario Lemieux 3 Seasons
Pavel Bure 3 Seasons
Jaromir Jagr 3 Seasons
Top 5 in Assists
Wayne Gretzky 7 Seasons
Adam Oates 6 Seasons
Mario Lemieux 5 Seasons
Jaromir Jagr 3 Seasons
Ron Francis 3 Seasons
Peter Forsberg 3 Seasons
Evil Homer 09-30-2004, 09:00 PM Interesting post - good stats.
Bring Back Bucky 10-01-2004, 02:32 PM Kelly Buchberger
Kelly Miller
Kelly Kisio
Link Gaetz
:dunno:
hossy316 10-01-2004, 02:55 PM Ya can't go wrong with most of the players that are in people's lists. Great thread with some very hard decisions.
1. Jaromir Jagr
2. Steve Yzerman
3. Patrick Roy
4. Mario Lemieux
5. Ray Bourque
6. Joe Sakic
7. Pavel Bure
8. Brett Hull
9. Dominik Hasek
10. Al McInnis
:dunno:
BF_Sweden 10-04-2004, 01:38 PM He (Forsberg) wasnt as dominant as the players mentioned...nuff said
I guess you havent checked the stats that really matters - the playoff stats.
wedge 10-04-2004, 02:31 PM 1. Lemieux. He was just amazing
2. Jagr. He dominated, even without Mario.
3. Hasek. Always gave the Sabres a chance to win.
4. Sakic. Was great in Quebec, greater in Colorado
5. Gretzky. Still a great player even with his hard last years.
6. Oates. The best playmaker of the 90s.
7. Bourque Always the steadiest D-men of the league.
8. Yzerman Had some great years and turned into a complete forward.
9. Hull Mainly because of his 86 goals season.
10. Modano Quietly produced 80-more points each season.
Radomon 10-08-2004, 07:30 PM 01. Mario Lemieux
02. Jaromir Jagr
03. Dominik Hasek
04. Ray Bourque
05. Wayne Gretzky
06. Patrick Roy
07. Brett Hull
08. Joe Sakic
09. Mark Messier
10. Eric Lindros
Killer_Carlson 10-19-2004, 12:23 AM 1. Lemieux
2. Sakic
3. Bure
4. Jagr
5. Gretzky
6. Bourque
7. Chelios
8. Federov
9. Yzerman
10. Leetch
monster_bertuzzi 11-05-2004, 01:56 AM Jagr
Lemieux
Roy
Hull
Sakic
Bure
Hasek
Bourque
Fedorov
Yzerman
HM:Chelios,Selanne,Mogilny,Brodeur,Forsberg,Lindro s,Leetch
VanIslander 11-05-2004, 08:02 AM All Peter Bondra did was score more goals than anybody else. Geez. It seems like you guys are assembling popularity lists. I'll never understand why the guy who consistently was a top scorer was never embraced as a top player. Was it because he played in Washington for most of his career? If he was a Leaf, he'd surely be on lists. More goals in the nineties than anyone!
Sanderson 11-05-2004, 10:16 AM Bondra didn't score the most goals in the nineties.
Brett Hull was number one with roughly 450 goals, nearly 100 more than the next one. Jagr had more goals as well.
I can't find my magazine with the stats of the nineties, but I remember Gretzky being no.1 in front of Jagr, while Hull was clearly the best goalscorer.
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