You're Pat Quinn: Who do you start?

Assuming Martin Brodeur is able to play Tuesday night, who would you stick between Canada's pipes?

Simple question, and I offer a simple answer.

Roberto Luongo got Team Canada to the Final with his spectacular play tonight against the Czech Republic. I don't see how Quinn cannot give him the nod, even with Martin Brodeur as his other option. Luongo was too good tonight to put back on the bench.

If Brodeur is ready to go, he gets the start

Assuming Martin Brodeur is able to play Tuesday night, who would you stick between Canada's pipes?

Simple question, and I offer a simple answer.

Roberto Luongo got Team Canada to the Final with his spectacular play tonight against the Czech Republic. I don't see how Quinn cannot give him the nod, even with Martin Brodeur as his other option. Luongo was too good tonight to put back on the bench.

:lol:

uh, you kidding? Brodeur in a second. Luongo was average tonight, despite making some key saves.

Brodeur if fully recovered.

If Brodeur's good to go, you gotta put him in. He's the best in the world.

uh, you kidding? Brodeur in a second. Luongo was average tonight, despite making some key saves.

Average? He made at least 3-4 game-saving stops late in the 3rd period and overtime.

The Czechs didn't have a lead during the game, but realistically they should have. Luongo is hot, despite only having played one game.

If it ain't broke...

If it ain't broke...
exactly..if martin brodeur is good to go, you play him.

If healthy, Brodeur in a heart beat.

i'd put belfour

i'd put belfour

:lol

Average? He made at least 3-4 game-saving stops late in the 3rd period and overtime.

2 soft goals = he shouldnt have been in that situation in the first place.

If it ain't broke...

So why take Brodeur out?

2 soft goals = he shouldnt have been in that situation in the first place.

So why take Brodeur out?

Two soft goals? What game were you watching? The first goal went off a skate, the second was a beauty PPG, the third was through a screen thanks to a horrible defensive mistake. He had no chance on any of the goals.

If it (Luongo) ain't broke, don't fix it. He got Canada to the Final. He should get the start.

Is it April 1st or what?

Brodeur allowed 3 goals in 4 games. He got Canada this far.

Is it April 1st or what?

Brodeur allowed 3 goals in 4 games. He got Canada this far.

Last I checked, Roberto Luongo was in goal saving Canada against the Czech Republic. If not for his magic, Canada is out of the World Cup.

longo looked bad

i want marty back

Last I checked, Roberto Luongo was in goal saving Canada against the Czech Republic. If not for his magic, Canada is out of the World Cup.

With the way Brodeur's been playing that game wouldn't have even gone to overtime.

With the way Brodeur's been playing that game wouldn't have even gone to overtime.

You don't know that.

You don't know that.

Yes I do.

Go with Luongo unless Brodeur can demonstrate he's 100% healthy. I'd imagine it took a lot for Brodeur not to play tonight, and I'm no doctor but I wouldn't be surprised if he ain't fully healed by Tuesday afternoon. A damaged glove hand would also diminish and/or inhibit Marty's puck handling abilities, which is a big part of his game.

If I'm Pat Quinn: (assuming Brodeur is close to 100%)

I definitely start Brodeur.

If Canada wins, the decision was no-brainer.

If Canada loses, I don't get solely blamed for the loss (barring a bad line change or bench penalty) because I started the consensus #1 goaltender on the team.

If I started Luongo and Canada won, good for me.

If I started Luongo and Canada lost, I look like a fool for not playing the consensus #1 goaltender on the team.

If I'm Pat Quinn I wouldn't take the risk of starting Luongo.

Sure Luongo made some big saves, but the 3rd goal was week and his rebound control on the second goal was also terrible.

Broduer no questions!!

Unbiased Canadian

Last I checked, Roberto Luongo was in goal saving Canada against the Czech Republic. If not for his magic, Canada is out of the World Cup.

The Canadian team played like a team in the first period and for most of the second. After the soft looking first goal by the Czechs the Canadians started to lose confidence and I believe that Brodeurs puck handling and play and personality would have kept the team on track... that's what Brodeur is so very good at. Being solid. Luongo made some extremely good saves and he is without a doubt a good goalie, but he simply does not have the same effect on a team that Brodeur has, and this game is a perfect example of it.

I would not put Luongo in net before Brodeur unless Marty was injured, as a goalie can do more than just stop the puck.

Sure Luongo made some big saves, but the 3rd goal was week and his rebound control on the second goal was also terrible.

Broduer no questions!!

Unbiased Canadian

I dunno, it's one game, I'd wouldn't pass judgment on a goalie based on how he looked his last game. Especially since Luongo hadn't faced game action for a couple of weeks.

if i'm pat quinn, i start brodeur even if luongo had a 50 save shutout tonight.

To answer the original question. Broduer before any other goalie in the world right now.

I can't believe someone even thinks this is a question. As good as Luongo was, if Brodeur is healthy he is playing, no doubt about it.

I'd bet my prized goats that if Brodeur is ready to go and you polled every NHL coach, the vote would be unaminous.

At this time Martin Brodeur is the best goaltender in the world for a big game.

So, if healthy, of course Brodeur. No brainer.

This is not a criticism of Luongo who did not play as badly as the defense in front of him.

But if the best is available, you go with the best.

If I'm Pat Quinn: (assuming Brodeur is close to 100%)

I definitely start Brodeur.

If Canada wins, the decision was no-brainer.

If Canada loses, I don't get solely blamed for the loss (barring a bad line change or bench penalty) because I started the consensus #1 goaltender on the team.

If I started Luongo and Canada won, good for me.

If I started Luongo and Canada lost, I look like a fool for not playing the consensus #1 goaltender on the team.

If I'm Pat Quinn I wouldn't take the risk of starting Luongo.

So you wouldn't start a goalie to win the game, your reasoning is you would start one because if you lose people don't blame you as much. You're ****ing pathetic, a totally gutless coach. I just hope you ain't coaching hockey at all.

In my mind, you put the goalie that'll get you the win, If brodeur is good enough to play and get you the W, put him in, if not, then Luongo will go get it for you.

(...) the third was through a screen thanks to a horrible defensive mistake.


Defense didn't look so sharp last night. Some guys tried to do too much ... Why is that ? Because Brodeur wasn't in the net. This team plays with total confidence with Brodeur, I can't say the same of Louongo from what I saw last night. They just let Brodeur do his thing. Anybody else and they will try and do to much, to protect the goalie. Inevitably, that leads to mistakes.

Brodeur stabilizes our defense in a way Louongo or Theodore can't. Brodeur should be in net, no questions asked.

Martin Brodeur is the best goalie in the world. With Brodeur the game probably doesn't go to OT. Is Martin Brodeur is good to go, he will play.


If not, well then you tell the best goalie in the world he isn't starting for Canada. If Luongo starts and Canada loses, Pat Quinn will never live it down (not to mention all the Leaf fans finding another reason to get rid of him :D)

I'd take Brodeur with a bruised hand above Luongo.

Brodeur let in 3 goals on 103 shots. Luongo let in 3 goals on 37 shots. Brodeur won let in 3 goals in 4 games, Luongo let in 3 goals in 1 game. .75 GAA vs 3.00 GAA.

Luongo made a lot of spectacular saves that were only shots because of his own mistakes with rebounds.

The big difference between Brodeur and the two other goalies (Luongo and Theodore) is that Marty can play the puck and act like a 3D whereas the two other can't. It make the defense job much easier. But in terms of make "Key" saves I think that all three goalies are capable of that.

Van - Those 2 goals Luongo let in were very weak. The first one you couldn't even tell if it hit someone's skate or not. He should've stopped both of them.

You guys are really playing with fire wanting to put Luongo in over Brodeur.

k, let's see...uno: Canada is gonna face probably the most disciplined team in the tournament, dos: Canada is gonna face the hottest goalie this year, and still smoking I might add, tres: who's our no1 goalie?

Brodeur without a doubt!

next thread please
:teach:

Van wants to play Luongo in a game that would play into Brodeurs hands. A low shot game where the goaltender needs to be alert....good work van. Thats why you are a ref and not a coach.

Brodeur let in 3 goals on 103 shots. Luongo let in 3 goals on 37 shots. Brodeur won let in 3 goals in 4 games, Luongo let in 3 goals in 1 game. .75 GAA vs 3.00 GAA.

Luongo made a lot of spectacular saves that were only shots because of his own mistakes with rebounds.

EXACTLY

This thread must be a joke. Marty in a second. This game is a 3-0 or 3-1 final if Brodeur is in the net.

Yes I do.

:lol:

I'll leave you to think about that.


Sure Luongo made some big saves, but the 3rd goal was week and his rebound control on the second goal was also terrible.


He couldn't see the third goal, and he had no choice but to give up the rebound on the second goal. He was going the other way and stuck his leg out. His options were to let the original shot go in, or kick the puck out, and that's not due to bad positioning, that was due to a nice powerplay by the Czechs. Whoever buried the rebound was a defenceman's responsibility.


Van wants to play Luongo in a game that would play into Brodeurs hands. A low shot game where the goaltender needs to be alert....good work van. Thats why you are a ref and not a coach.

Actually I am a coach.

Brodeur is one of the top 5 goalies of all time AND one of the top 10 defensive defencemen.

play Luongo. Or Theodore.. that'd be doing us (Finland) a big favour.

Brodeur is by far your best goalie, so yeah, feel free to play Luongo, that suits us =)

For crying out loud, if you wanna make it exciting why don't you put Theodore in the game and call it a team effort. Everyone got to play.

It's Brodeur. Right now he's the best in the world. Luongo isn't even the second best. The Kipper is.

Brodeur thats not even a question.

My 2nd would be Theodore though..

Average? He made at least 3-4 game-saving stops late in the 3rd period and overtime.

The Czechs didn't have a lead during the game, but realistically they should have. Luongo is hot, despite only having played one game.

If it ain't broke...

He also let in a few weak ones. I don't think it's a question at all. you HAVE to go with Brodeur

Last I checked, Roberto Luongo was in goal saving Canada against the Czech Republic. If not for his magic, Canada is out of the World Cup.

That is some twisted logic. I'm surprised at van, I usually can see where you're coming from in your posts, but starting Luongo would be a mistake. even if Luongo had a superb outing (the general feeling is that he had an average game), you still put in brodeur.

You sound like you think that if Brodeur had been in net, we wouldn't be playing fo rthe championship?

So you wouldn't start a goalie to win the game, your reasoning is you would start one because if you lose people don't blame you as much. You're ****ing pathetic, a totally gutless coach. I just hope you ain't coaching hockey at all.

In my mind, you put the goalie that'll get you the win, If brodeur is good enough to play and get you the W, put him in, if not, then Luongo will go get it for you.

He's not pathetic at all. These all very real things Quinn has to think about. It's easy for your average armchair fan to say what you're saying. The pressure these guys are under is unimaginable.

Irregardless, I can't see any argument for starting Loungo over Brodeur (if Brodeur is indeed healthy) BNrodeur has played more in the last few weeks, Luongo did not have a strong outing, Brodeur has been amazing in the tournament. The ONLY reason to start Luongo is if you believe Brodeur at 75% (or 80% or 90% or whatever) is not better then Luongo right now.

So you wouldn't start a goalie to win the game, your reasoning is you would start one because if you lose people don't blame you as much. You're ****ing pathetic, a totally gutless coach. I just hope you ain't coaching hockey at all.

In my mind, you put the goalie that'll get you the win, If brodeur is good enough to play and get you the W, put him in, if not, then Luongo will go get it for you.

Thanks for calling me pathetic, eh? :shakehead

To clarify, yes, I would start the goalie which gives me a better chance to win. Brodeur is that goalie.

He just so happens to also be the consensus #1 goalie on the team and the goalie that the majority of people believe should get the start, if he's healthy.

Do you think that Quinn doesn't have to think about how fans will react to his decision on who to start? Gutless? Gutless would be not accepting the job of coaching Team Canada in the first place. This isn't simply one game we're talking about. This is his whole coaching legacy. Do you want to be known as the coach who decided to start the #2 goaltender, even though the #1 was healthy but the #2 was "hot," in a game that Canada loses? Do you want to handle all the "what-if's" and questions that the media will ask you on your decision? Do you want to be known as the coach that lost the World Cup on home ice ?

Now obviously if Luongo managed to win the game then you would look great. But that is a very high-risk move, and the consequences of a loss could be devastating to you.

I was trying to give a different perspective on how Quinn would decide. Obviously the simple answer would have been "start Brodeur because he's more proven and gives you a better shot." But I think public perception is also an important factor.

I'd put Brodeur in a nanosecond between the pipes, there's no question about it. Just for the fact Martin can control the play behind his net, act as a 3rd Dman and a leader. Canada's D played the worst game of the WC with Luongo in net, and I have a feeling this is due in (big) part to the fact Luongo does not help his Dmen with his puck control and has a very average rebound control, complete opposite of Brodeur who always directs it to a teammate.

What a ridiculous question. Proof that an argument can be made supporting ANYTHING if you think about it enough.

I thought Luongo played quite well. The supposed weak goals are being way overblown. Rob was there when it counted, and kept his team from slipping behind. He did his job in this tournament, and I have no doubt that if Marty isnt ready to go on Tues, he'll do the job again against Finland. However, Marty is the team number one goaltender, the best goalie in the world, and has been incredibly strong all tournament. It would be an absolute joke and travesty if Brodeur was 100% and didn't play. There is NO reason to not start him.

Nice post, kenabnrmal. American fan here, and I agree 100%. Luongo did not play poor as the bashers think, but if Broduer is healthy you play him. End of story.

You sound like you think that if Brodeur had been in net, we wouldn't be playing fo rthe championship?

That's not what I'm saying at all.

What I am saying, is that Luongo is the reason Canada did not lose their semi-final by 2-3 goals. He deserves the final. Don't think about the round robin games that Brodeur won, don't think about the quarter-final that Tommy Salo could have won, think about the semi-final, and why the Czechs only put 3 past Luongo on the 40 shots they put towards him, and especially think about the game-savers Luongo made late in the game and overtime.

I don't think about "what if" scenarios. Brodeur could have saved Canada's ass too last night, but it was Luongo who got the job done.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

What I am saying, is that Luongo is the reason Canada did not lose their semi-final by 2-3 goals. He deserves the final. Don't think about the round robin games that Brodeur won, don't think about the quarter-final that Tommy Salo could have won, think about the semi-final, and why the Czechs only put 3 past Luongo on the 40 shots they put towards him, and especially think about the game-savers Luongo made late in the game and overtime.

I don't think about "what if" scenarios. Brodeur could have saved Canada's ass too last night, but it was Luongo who got the job done.

He wouldn't have to save so many shots if he 1) didn't give up so many rebounds and 2) could play the puck even half as good as Brodeur. Honestly, if you were Team Canada head coach and you had a 100% healthy Brodeur and you played Luongo out of some crazy "what have you done for me lately" scheme, you would probably be lynched.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

What I am saying, is that Luongo is the reason Canada did not lose their semi-final by 2-3 goals. He deserves the final. Don't think about the round robin games that Brodeur won, don't think about the quarter-final that Tommy Salo could have won, think about the semi-final, and why the Czechs only put 3 past Luongo on the 40 shots they put towards him, and especially think about the game-savers Luongo made late in the game and overtime.

I don't think about "what if" scenarios. Brodeur could have saved Canada's ass too last night, but it was Luongo who got the job done.

If you're saying Luongo deserves it, I'll agree with you. He did make some huge stops, the big stops, which is the important thing. But 3 weeks ago, Quinn decided to ride Marty. I don't see how one mediocre performance (despite his making the big stops, it was not by any account, consistently, elite) by Luongo changes that?

Brodeur has been performing above expectation, Luongo performed slightly below expectation. If Quinn was AT ALL confident in his initial decision, he goes with Brodeur (assumming he's healthy).

The real question is: How injured does Brodeur have to be, before Luongo becomes the right decision. Is Brodeur better at 90%? 85%?

That is one decision I don't envy Quinn. Because if he starts Luongo, and loses, he's in for one rough ride

EDIT: spelling

He wouldn't have to save so many shots if he 1) didn't give up so many rebounds and 2) could play the puck even half as good as Brodeur. Honestly, if you were Team Canada head coach and you had a 100% healthy Brodeur and you played Luongo out of some crazy "what have you done for me lately" scheme, you would probably be lynched.



The real question is: How injured does Brodeur have to be, before Luongo becomes the right decision. Is Brodeur better at 90%? 85%?

That is one decision I don't envy Quinn. Because if he starts Luongo, and loses, he's in for one rough ride




Exactly

What I am saying, is that Luongo is the reason Canada did not lose their semi-final by 2-3 goals.


Luongo is young and still learning to win...and last night, he got EXTREMELY lucky!!! The mark of great goaltenders has always been the ability to shut the door when the team got that final goal for you.

Well, Draper (of all people!) got him that goal but Luongo was not able to close the door as the greats like Ken Dryden, Grant Fuhr, Domenic Hasik (grrrrr...I hate including him in this list but I have to...) and St. Patrick Roy have always done. What was it, just 6 seconds??? before they came roaring back????

Despite the running around and being outshot, the team in front of him did what they were supposed to...but Luongo failed to do his part...having to ask the team to score another one for him...

There's no way I would go with Luongo at this point...the only thing he did last night was give us a really exciting game with his inability to shut the door when the team needed him to.

Luongo is young and still learning to win...and last night, he got EXTREMELY lucky!!! The mark of great goaltenders has always been the ability to shut the door when the team got that final goal for you.

Well, Draper (of all people!) got him that goal but Luongo was not able to close the door as the greats like Ken Dryden, Grant Fuhr, Domenic Hasik (grrrrr...I hate including him in this list but I have to...) and St. Patrick Roy have always done. What was it, just 6 seconds??? before they came roaring back????

Despite the running around and being outshot, the team in front of him did what they were supposed to...but Luongo failed to do his part...having to ask the team to score another one for him...

There's no way I would go with Luongo at this point...the only thing he did last night was give us a really exciting game with his inability to shut the door when the team needed him to.

Did you see the Czechs' third goal?

It had nothing to do with Luongo not "shutting the door". It had everything to do with a horrible defensive breakdown, and a quick pouncing by the Czech forwards with a screen shot. If Luongo sees that shot, he stops it.

If Quinn decides to go with Brodeur, he had better be healthy enough to not tape his wrist (ie: 100%). If Brodeur is 99%, that's not good enough because if that hand cannot do its job, the chances of Brodeur making a mistake catching the puck go up significantly, and his puckhandling skills are out the window as well.

I'm guessing the Canucks will go with Luongo again. If Brodeur has been nursing his injury for the past few days, he's not going to be sharp. Does anyone know if he skated with the team today?

If he didn't, I'm guessing Luongo will be in again Tuesday. There's still a few days though for Marty to hit the ice and sharpen up though... only time will tell.

Loungo looks like he will develop into a very good goalie. But at this stage, if Brodeur is healthy it is a no-brainer.