Was Luongo good enough for everyone?

bah I fell asleep when the game was 2-1 n woke up, 3-3 in OT.
luckly i recorded the game
Now, Cananda's d was shakey, the Czech's were strong, and Luoie let in 2 weak goals.
But over all, did Luoie save the day? was he good enough for everyone?

Sure he was for me

I expected more of him. He DID stop the Czechs in overtime, but he did let in a couple of softys in regulation. Vokoun was even worse. Czechs mainly lost because of him

he was good enough to win

which should be good enough for everyone

Yeah he played pretty good.

bah I fell asleep when the game was 2-1 n woke up, 3-3 in OT.
luckly i recorded the game
Now, Cananda's d was shakey, the Czech's were strong, and Luoie let in 2 weak goals.
But over all, did Luoie save the day? was he good enough for everyone?
good enough for this game, but Vokoun was pretty bad too. The Draper goal, and flopping around like a fish on the Vinny goal werent very good. Even the Brewer goal was stoppable. Luongo let in 2 softies, especially the 3rd goal which was reminiscent of Salo in Salt Lake in how weak it was. Wasnt tested much in ot, but came up big on Hejduk. Well, it wasnt that great, certainly wasnt as great as the commentators and posters made it out to be, but it was a good solid save.

Of course he was good enough.

I didn't expect Brodeur to steal any games either.

He did for me seeing as the Czechs continually dominated the Canadians offensively in this game, a lot due to very sloppy plays by all the Canadian players, plus Louie hasn't seen a lot of action through out this tourney.

He was just decent, IMO. He made saves he shouldn't have and got scored on by shots that he should've saved.
Kind of reminds me of Roman Cechmanek. ;)

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he was probably pretty rusty from not playing for a while.

He played well. I mean he wasnt terrible but that third goal was one of those what I call "wtf" goals! He kept us in there at times...he wasn't bad, he's still young and has time. I'd rather have him in net than Brodeur if he's not at 100% cuz you certainly wouldn't want Brodeur to aggravate his injury further.

The guy made some increadibly key saves!

He made one with the pads stacked in the 3rd that was just amazing.

And then in OT, where he made a great save coming across to his glove side and making a blocker save. After that amazing save Canada went down the ice and scored!

Luongo didn't give up any bad goals. The 2 "questionalbe" goals were tips. CBC showed a replay during the intermission that clearly showed the 3rd goal was a redirect.

So Luongo gets more than a passing grade from me.

He faces 40 shots, gets the win and there's still complaining?? :eek: :shakehead

Yes, Luongo was good enough. Although, throughout the whole game, I didn't have confidence in him for a second.

We won. Of course he was good enough. The guy kept us in the game during the Czech domination of the middle of the third and Lecavalier scored the OT winner because Luongo faced five shots before it.

He was OK. Made a couple of big stops, but also got really lucky a few times. They won the game -- that's all that matters. I'd feel more comfortable with Brodeur between the pipes, however.

The guy made some increadibly key saves!

He made one with the pads stacked in the 3rd that was just amazing.

And then in OT, where he made a great save coming across to his glove side and making a blocker save. After that amazing save Canada went down the ice and scored!

Luongo didn't give up any bad goals. The 2 "questionalbe" goals were tips. CBC showed a replay during the intermission that clearly showed the 3rd goal was a redirect.

So Luongo gets more than a passing grade from me.

He faces 40 shots, gets the win and there's still complaining?? :eek: :shakehead

euhh...34 shots.

He played GOOD. Not Great. Enough to win, but Brodeur looks a lot sharper than Luongo. 2 of the goals were softies. There's also the fact that he was unable to protect the lead all game long...2-0, 2-1, 2-2, 3-2, 3-3, 4-3.

I really hope that Brodeur could play against Finland, because with Luongo, i'm not comfortable.

euhh...34 shots.

He played GOOD. Not Great. Enough to win, but Brodeur looks a lot sharper than Luongo. 2 of the goals were softies. There's also the fact that he was unable to protect the lead all game long...2-0, 2-1, 2-2, 3-2, 3-3, 4-3.

I really hope that Brodeur could play against Finland, because with Luongo, i'm not comfortable.

Those 2 "Softies" were tips. A tip isn't a softie IMO.

We were lucky: first, Canada played a truly mediocre game; second, the Czechs couldn't capitalize; third, Luongo came in cold, to play his first game of the tournament -- and he did alright. I was nervous after seeing what in my opinion was two fairly stoppable shots creep past him. But he stoned the Czechs in OT. And he stopped 40 shots.

I'm more worried about the team. What were they doing? Looking past the Czechs to the Finns? Or are the Czechs, with their routine, familiarity and skill, and system, that good?

Oh, and he also did face 40 shots.

Those 2 "Softies" were tips. A tip isn't a softie IMO.


:D man i love ur opinions!! :yo:

I think we've all seen Luongo play better in recent years but as was said he was good enough to win, good enough to stop 37 shots and that should be good enough for everyone.
I'm confident that he'll have shaken off the rust with this game and that if Brodeur isn't ready for the final then Luongo will be ready and back to his dominant self.

I'd like to also point out that I'd have been confident with Theodore in goal as well. Not as confident but confident enough that we would have pulled out the win.

Quinn and co. get to make these decisions for a reason.

:D man i love ur opinions!! :yo:

I'm pretty sure your joking, but, thanks anyways :dunno: :)

I don't understand people saying Luongo played a great game. Had Brodeur been in nets that game would have never went to OT. And I'm confident in saying that the defense wouldn't have been anywhere near as in shambles at any point in the game as it was after the 2nd czech goal.

I'm pretty sure your joking, but, thanks anyways :dunno: :)

No man! Luongo is my #2 fav player
Bouwmeester is my #1

No man! Luongo is my #2 fav player
Bouwmeester is my #1

:joker:

Well thanks again!

Your avatar is pretty funny. He actually seems like a normal guy when he's interviewed on TV...but when he's coaching :bonk:

He's no Brodeur. He was decent for his first playoff-style game.

I'm sure given the chance Canada would prefer Brodeur at 80% over Luongo at 100%.

While the two are extremely close in raw skill, there's a huge difference in their approach to and performance in a game at this level.

In a few years, if the Panthers ever make the playoffs and Luongo gets that experience to go with his skills, he's going to be scary good.

He's no Brodeur. He was decent for his first playoff-style game.

I'm sure given the chance Canada would prefer Brodeur at 80% over Luongo at 100%.

While the two are extremely close in raw skill, there's a huge difference in their approach to and performance in a game at this level.

In a few years, if the Panthers ever make the playoffs and Luongo gets that experience to go with his skills, he's going to be scary good.

He'll be good, but his stats will drop when they will cut the pads...He's good because he's monster big, but Brodeur is easely ahead. The debate is Brodeur or Roy?

He'll be good, but his stats will drop when they will cut the pads...He's good because he's monster big, but Brodeur is easely ahead. The debate is Brodeur or Roy?

"It's like he has condominiums strapped to his legs."
-Brad Richards after a TB win over Luongo and Florida earlier this year.

Please don't ever compare Brodeur and Luongo to eachother.

Thanks.

Brodeur is no Hasek, no Roy.

Who expected Brodeur to steal any games?

Luongo or Theodore would be fine.

I don't think Luongo's pads are illegal.

Keep in mind he's a huge goalie, he has to wear the big pads. Also, we've been watching Brodeur, who likes smaller pads because they make it easier for him to handle the puck.

Brodeur is no Hasek, no Roy.

Who expected Brodeur to steal any games?

Luongo or Theodore would be fine.

With Canada's team they shouldn't need the goaltender to steal any games. Brodeur is definitely in Roy and Hasek's class.

Brodeur is no Hasek, no Roy.

Who expected Brodeur to steal any games?

Luongo or Theodore would be fine.

Brodeur is twice the goalie Theodore and Luongo are. It's not even close.

Brodeur is twice the goalie Theodore and Luongo are. It's not even close.

I agree.

All on top of their game it's

Brodeur easily > Theodore > Luongo

Thing is Theodore's consistancy isn't up to his vezina form, but when he's on top of his game, he's a brick wall because not only is he very fast and agile but he's also so sound fundamentally with his technique/rebound control etc.

With Canada's team they shouldn't need the goaltender to steal any games.

It doesn't work like that. When a goalie allows a few softies that shouldn't have went in, the whole team plays nervously. The effect a goalie has on the team that plays in front of him is huge. Especially considering the fact our defense is so young and we were facing the dangerous czechs.


Brodeur is definitely in Roy and Hasek's class.

Totally agree.

A career highlight package of greatest games for Roy or Hasek would put Brodeur to shame. And I like Brodeur. He's a solid NHL regular, reliable, the sort of guy you expect to neither win the game nor lose the game usually.
Looking forward to your posts in another 12 years when Brodeur has beaten damn near every record that Roy holds.
:loony:

The guy made some increadibly key saves!

He made one with the pads stacked in the 3rd that was just amazing.

And then in OT, where he made a great save coming across to his glove side and making a blocker save. After that amazing save Canada went down the ice and scored!

Luongo didn't give up any bad goals. The 2 "questionalbe" goals were tips. CBC showed a replay during the intermission that clearly showed the 3rd goal was a redirect.

So Luongo gets more than a passing grade from me.

He faces 40 shots, gets the win and there's still complaining?? :eek: :shakehead



Agree 100% ...........must of felt like old times for him facing 38 shots again!!!!!!!!! Probably wasn't expecting that or his team to get dominated the way they did at times........... He made me proud to be Canadian once again!!!!!!!!! Good job Luongo, IMO i'd put him in over Brodeur but I know that won't happen if he's healthy.

I agree.

All on top of their game it's

Brodeur easily > Theodore > Luongo

Thing is Theodore's consistancy isn't up to his vezina form, but when he's on top of his game, he's a brick wall because not only is he very fast and agile but he's also so sound fundamentally with his technique/rebound control etc.

Totaly agree. That's also how I would rank them.

A career highlight package of greatest games for Roy or Hasek would put Brodeur to shame. And I like Brodeur. He's a solid NHL regular, reliable, the sort of guy you expect to neither win the game nor lose the game usually.

Exactly. Brodeur is solid, reliable and good when he has to be but he can thank Lou Lamoreillo (sp?) for all those records and cups.

A career highlight package of greatest games for Roy or Hasek would put Brodeur to shame. And I like Brodeur. He's a solid NHL regular, reliable, the sort of guy you expect to neither win the game nor lose the game usually.

:loony:

You realize that Brodeur is 32 and is on pace to own every goalie record there is by the time he's 40?

Exactly. Brodeur is solid, reliable and good when he has to be but he can thank Lou Lamoreillo (sp?) for all those records and cups.

I actually think Lou has Brodeur to thank for all the records and cups... though Lou is responsible for getting Brodeur so he's ultimately the man behind it all.

A career highlight package of greatest games for Roy or Hasek would put Brodeur to shame. And I like Brodeur. He's a solid NHL regular, reliable, the sort of guy you expect to neither win the game nor lose the game usually.

:loony:

Pavel Bure's package of highlights would put Iginla to shame. I'd still take Iginla above Bure any day of the week.

Hockey is not about highlights and crap like that. It's about winning hockey games. Something Brodeur has been consistently good at ever since his first season in the NHL. At a much younger age than Hasek to boot.

With Canada's team they shouldn't need the goaltender to steal any games. Brodeur is definitely in Roy and Hasek's class.

Brodeur is better than Hasek, roy we'll have to see when he retires. He does have a good shot at beating Roy's record for most wins.

Pavel Bure's package of highlights would put Iginla to shame. I'd still take Iginla above Bure any day of the week.

Hockey is not about highlights and crap like that. It's about winning hockey games. Something Brodeur has been consistently good at ever since his first season in the NHL. At a much younger age than Hasek to boot.

Well said

Pavel Bure's package of highlights would put Iginla to shame. I'd still take Iginla above Bure any day of the week.

Hockey is not about highlights and crap like that. It's about winning hockey games. Something Brodeur has been consistently good at ever since his first season in the NHL. At a much younger age than Hasek to boot.Thanks to the teams he's had in front of him. Brodeur's numbers would be much different in another teams system. He sees what 20 shots a night in NJ if he's lucky?

Uh, The New Jersey Devils have made Brodeur's job a lot easier with their superior team defense over the years, especially early in his career. Does anyone doubt that he's had a goaltender's sweetest franchise to play for?

I actually think Lou has Brodeur to thank for all the records and cups.
You sure put the Devil in Flame_Star_Devil.

I will admit that both Roy and Hasek have been much colder than Brodeur has been; but they have also been much hotter, many times, outright dominating games and series in a way that Brodeur hasn't.

Do you doubt that?

That doesn't take away from the "overall most solid" label from being applied to Brodeur.

Yet, even then, if Theodore was on a streak, I'd have put him in instead.

Thanks to the teams he's had in front of him. Brodeur's numbers would be much different in another teams system. He sees what 20 shots a night in NJ if he's lucky?

You hear goaltenders say a lot of shots help them get into the game, and that it's difficult mentally when they get few shots all the time.

Besides, Roy had Chelios, Robinson, Carbonneau, Gainey for his first cup. And Desjardins, Schneider, Carbonneau and the whole team was playing very good defense back then. And I'm not even talking of Blake, Foote, Bourque, etc.

Hasek never actually won the cup before he had Lidstrom and co in front of him.

Sure every players are a product of the team they play for. They still have to rise to the challenge. And Brodeur is doing that every year.

EDIT : Few great teams actually win cups without great goaltenders.

Uh, The New Jersey Devils have made Brodeur's job a lot easier with their superior team defense over the years, especially early in his career. Does anyone doubt that he's had a goaltender's sweetest franchise to play for?


You sure put the Devil in Flame_Star_Devil.

I will admit that both Roy and Hasek have been much colder than Brodeur has been; but they have also been much hotter, many times, outright dominating games and series in a way that Brodeur hasn't.

Do you doubt that?

That doesn't take away from the "overall most solid" label from being applied to Brodeur.

Yet, even then, if Theodore was on a streak, I'd have put him in instead.

Every great player, to become a legend like Roy is, has to have a great team. The truly great players live up to that team and become part of it. Roy had a great defensive squad in Montreal and in Colorado, as good as the Devils had in 95, 00, or 03. It's not fair to the players who never get that opportunity but until you get the chance to win and are able to take it you'll never be remembered as truly great. Maybe that's not fair but it's the way it really works. The winners are the ones who are remembered in the end and they're remembered along with their team.

You hear goaltenders say a lot of shots help them get into the game, and that it's difficult mentally when they get few shots all the time.


Alot of goalies say that, but, of the few shots Brodeur recieves every night how many of them are quality ones. Almost all are from the perimeter.

Besides, Roy had Chelios, Robinson, Carbonneau, Gainey for his first cup. And Desjardins, Schneider, Carbonneau and the whole team was playing very good defense back then. And I'm not even talking of Blake, Foote, Bourque, etc.

Hasek never actually won the cup before he had Lidstrom and co in front of him.


Brodeur had Stevens, Niedermayer, Daneyko, Madden, Elias and so on too. Probably a better team than the post 1986 Habs(1993 being the exception).


Sure every players are a product of the team they play for. They still have to rise to the challenge. And Brodeur is doing that every year.

That's very true, and he's done that, but he hasn't acheived the level of greatness set by Roy.

I'm not trying to attack you, just having a good debate. After all, were both Habs fans. :) Why don't we just agree Plante was the best ;)

Alot of goalies say that, but, of the few shots Brodeur recieves every night how many of them are quality ones. Almost all are from the perimeter.



Brodeur had Stevens, Niedermayer, Daneyko, Madden, Elias and so on too. Probably a better team than the post 1986 Habs(1993 being the exception).



That's very true, and he's done that, but he hasn't acheived the level of greatness set by Roy.

I'm not trying to attack you, just having a good debate. After all, were both Habs fans. :) Why don't we just agree Plante was the best ;)

Agreed, he's not there yet. But he's in Roy's class and if he continues on the pace he's on he'll surpass all Roy's records. He already 3 cups to Roys 4. In the end, if this continues, Brodeur will be remembered as the greater goalie.

If i had to choose a goalie for an imaginary team that i could draft any players from any year, it would be Hasek from 1998, the dominator in fine form. Extremely fun to watch! God i miss that :(

What is it with you people trying to put down Brodeur as simply "a solid NHL goalie" and someone who will "neither win a game nor lose one"? I am not a fan of Brodeur or the Devils but I mean come on. I think that he is, hands down, the best goalie in the game today and firmly believe that when he retires will be regarded as the best goalie of all time. He has dominated this tournement as he dominated in Salt Lake City and has been the backbone of the Devils for almost a decade.

Those who use the Devil`s superior defense as an explanation for Brodeur`s stats really don`t have much of an argument since they play a defensive game because the entire franchise has been built around Brodeur and Stevens. The fact that he only faces 20 shots a game actually makes it harder on him since he has to stay sharp mentally through long periods with no work.

Add to all of this the fact that he has revolutionized the position with his puckhandling abilities to the point where the NHL is actually considering enforcing rules to neutralize this skill and create more offense.

IMO this guy is the best the game has ever seen.

Hasek never actually won the cup before he had Lidstrom and co in front of him.
Come on, that's splitting hairs: In Buffalo he put the team on his back and carried them to overtime of game six of the Stanley Cup Finals, when Hull's illegal skate-in-the-crease shot was mistakenly allowed to stand (it wasn't a goal).

That was after two years as the league's MVP player (even though his teammates often left him all alone on odd man rushes) with many NHL forwards saying they have never faced as dominant a goaltender, one who gets under your skin and convinces you that you can't score unless it's on a deflection or rebound.

Hasek and Roy are in another class compared to Brodeur. (sigh) I guess we will agree to disagree on that point.

Agreed, he's not there yet. But he's in Roy's class and if he continues on the pace he's on he'll surpass all Roy's records. He already has more cups. In the end, if this continues, Brodeur will be remembered as the greater goalie.

He probably will re-write the record book. Time will tell.

By the way Roy has 4 cups(86, 93, 96, 01), Brodeur has 3.(95, 00, 03)

He probably will re-write the record book. Time will tell.

By the way Roy has 4 cups(86, 93, 96, 01), Brodeur has 3.(95, 00, 03)

Hah, oops. My mistake. :innocent:
I'm not sure if I mistyped or if I was writing under false impressions.

Gotta love how a thread about Luongo turns into "Brodeur: Mediocre or not?"

Luongo played well. Unless Brodeur is 100%, I'd keep Luongo in net for Tuesday.

Gotta love how a thread about Luongo turns into "Brodeur: Mediocre or not?"

Luongo played well. Unless Brodeur is 100%, I'd keep Luongo in net for Tuesday.
Absolutely nobody here has said Brodeur is mediocre.

But we should listen to you, after all, your username is "Brodeur", yet you thought Luongo played well and you'd start Luongo in the final.

That's objectivity. And what we'll probably see.

Luongo has earned the chance to start in the final.

Alot of goalies say that, but, of the few shots Brodeur recieves every night how many of them are quality ones. Almost all are from the perimeter.

It's still takes someone special to exceed in the devils system IMO. Brodeur was incredible for their 03 cup. He made awesome saves. Not from perimeter shots at all.


Brodeur had Stevens, Niedermayer, Daneyko, Madden, Elias and so on too. Probably a better team than the post 1986 Habs(1993 being the exception).

That's very true, and he's done that, but he hasn't acheived the level of greatness set by Roy.

Yup. Brodeur had great defensive teams in front of him. But my point was that every great goaltenders have had great defensive teams in front of them. Maybe the devils had a better team, but they faced better competition too. The '95 wings were scary and I think they faced the avs for the 2nd cup. Better than the flames of '86 and the kings of '93 IMO. So at one point it all evens out. ;)

We could argue this till the cows come home. But let's wait till Brodeur's career is over before arguing who the best ever is. I'm not saying it's Brodeur. But with his achievements, he can definately be mentionned in the same breath. At this point I feel it's at the very least arguable. I don't think you can laugh at someone who think Brodeur is superior, or at someone who think Roy/Hasek are.



I'm not trying to attack you, just having a good debate. After all, were both Habs fans. :) Why don't we just agree Plante was the best ;)

Indeed ;)

He played about as good as I thought he would. I knew he wouldn't play great, but I knew he'd play good enough to win the game for Canada. He made some pretty huge saves. He is no Martin Brodeur though.

Come on, that's splitting hairs: In Buffalo he put the team on his back and carried them to overtime of game six of the Stanley Cup Finals, when Hull's illegal skate-in-the-crease shot was mistakenly allowed to stand (it wasn't a goal).

That was after two years as the league's MVP player (even though his teammates often left him all alone on odd man rushes) with many NHL forwards saying they have never faced as dominant a goaltender, one who gets under your skin and convinces you that you can't score unless it's on a deflection or rebound.

Hasek and Roy are in another class compared to Brodeur. (sigh) I guess we will agree to disagree on that point.

I was not trying to put down Hasek. Hasek at his peak was probably more dominant than any other goalie. But Roy was more consistent, and Brodeur is even more consistent than Roy. They're all 3 different goalies with different abilities/styles and legacies. I just think Brodeur can definately be mentionned with those two right now. And yes we'll have to agree to disagree.

Hey, the discussion has been fun but I agree...

...the cows have come home.

Let's stop :deadhorse
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(Psst...Kiprusoff is the best goaltender in the world in the year 2004; but Canada will win anyways)

There was a good article written on Martin Brodeur this week that highlighted how you rarely see him making sensational saves since he's so technically sound and consistently sqare to the shooter from shift-to-shift. He had a cool quote reflecting on he's not generally at the top of his game when you see him having to dive all over the place or race back to an empty net like you see other netminders doing much moreso game in and game out. Patrick Roy was always one to significantly upsell big saves in games with grandiose gloves flashed high in the air afterwards regardless of how tough the save was for him. Brodeur doesn't do that kind of thing and for that I'm very, very happy.

I'd like to read it if you have a link.

EDIT : Nevermind found it on the devils board. Yup good article.

He has dominated this tournement as he dominated in Salt Lake City and has been the backbone of the Devils for almost a decade.
Dominated in salt lake? He was quite average, and quite possibly the weak link of the team. Canada chose 3 goalies who just shouldnt have gone that year, and won gold for one reason and one reason only, and that was because Belerus beat Sweden.

I don't see why nobody is hot on Luongo here... he sported a higher save percentage in regular season play than Brodeur and is a great up and coming goalie.

Dominated in salt lake? He was quite average, and quite possibly the weak link of the team. Canada chose 3 goalies who just shouldnt have gone that year, and won gold for one reason and one reason only, and that was because Belerus beat Sweden.

Wow. Did you even watch the games?

Dominated in salt lake? He was quite average, and quite possibly the weak link of the team. Canada chose 3 goalies who just shouldnt have gone that year, and won gold for one reason and one reason only, and that was because Belerus beat Sweden.
Thats a stretch if I ever heard it. He wasn't spectactular, but he was solid enough for them to win. If you don't remember, CuJo was pounded by Sweden.

bah I fell asleep when the game was 2-1 n woke up, 3-3 in OT.
luckly i recorded the game
Now, Cananda's d was shakey, the Czech's were strong, and Luoie let in 2 weak goals.
But over all, did Luoie save the day? was he good enough for everyone?


The D in that game almost looked like the Panthers. :lol:

Luongo was solid. He made the saves when he had to. If Canada falls behind, they lose all kinds of confidence but Luongo didn't let that happen. He made the big save when he had to and now that his jitters are gone i'll take him in the final if Marty isn't 100%. Maybe he'll turn in another WJC final like performance if he got the start :handclap:

Luongo was solid. He made the saves when he had to. If Canada falls behind, they lose all kinds of confidence but Luongo didn't let that happen. He made the big save when he had to and now that his jitters are gone i'll take him in the final if Marty isn't 100%. Maybe he'll turn in another WJC final like performance if he got the start :handclap:

Luongo was the reason Finland kept coming backin it. Canada would go up then a few minutes later Luongo would allow a subpar goal.

I find no coincidence in the fact that since Luongo was starting Team Canada let the same amount of goals in 1 game than in the whole tourney with Broduer behind the net. It is also no coincidence that this was the most amount of shots a Canadian goaltender faced.

Its like if you take a great defenseman out of the game say like Stevens or Lidstrom. Then replace him with an above average defenseman say Jovanovski. The whole team plays differently the offense and defense. The same thing happened here you took an all-time great goaltender who does everything right and put in an above average goaltender and the whole team played differently.

Luongo was the reason Finland kept coming backin it. Canada would go up then a few minutes later Luongo would allow a subpar goal.


shows how much u know, canada hasnt played finland yet.... :shakehead

I've figured out why Luongo sees so many shots in Florida:

1) he can't control rebounds - did you see how many times he deflected the puck aimlessly with his blocker arm. Brodeur not only deadens the puck when there's traffic, he can also basically PASS the puck with his pads to create break-outs.

2) Luongo can not get behind the net quickly enough to trap shoot-ins. I honestly think that was the major factor in the Czechs time of possession advantage. Brodeur stops all of those, and the D is set up to move the puck out quickly.

If you taped that game, watch for that. Drove me frikkin crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need MARTY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :help:

1) he can't control rebounds - did you see how many times he deflected the puck aimlessly with his blocker arm. Brodeur not only deadens the puck when there's traffic, he can also basically PASS the puck with his pads to create break-outs.


Incorrect, Luoie, directs all rebounds either to the corners or the side of the net

shows how much u know, canada hasnt played finland yet.... :shakehead

I meant the Czechs but thats besides the point. Luongo was not that good and not even close to Brodeur's level.

Poor response JackS. Picked out one point, and argued it half-assedly. First of all, there SHOULDN'T BE so many rebounds. Second, if the rebounds are directed aimlessly to the nearest corner, that doesn't do us much good when the Czechs are the first ones there all the time.

What about his lethargy on shoot-ins. What does you brilliant hockey mind say about that? Jeez, can't wait to hear this.....

I've figured out why Luongo sees so many shots in Florida:

1) he can't control rebounds - did you see how many times he deflected the puck aimlessly with his blocker arm. Brodeur not only deadens the puck when there's traffic, he can also basically PASS the puck with his pads to create break-outs.

2) Luongo can not get behind the net quickly enough to trap shoot-ins. I honestly think that was the major factor in the Czechs time of possession advantage. Brodeur stops all of those, and the D is set up to move the puck out quickly.

If you taped that game, watch for that. Drove me frikkin crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need MARTY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :help:

Very good point.

Poor response. Picked out one point, and argued it half-assedly. First of all, there SHOULDN'T BE so many rebounds. Second, if the rebounds are directed aimlessly to the nearest corner, that doesn't do us much good when the Czechs are the first ones there all the time.

What about his lethargy on shoot-ins. What does you brilliant hockey mind say about that? Jeez, can't wait to hear this.....

Don't expect too much out of him look how well he argued my points.

Yeah haakon, I just signed on, but noticed he does not have too many useful points (obvious type-O regarding the Finn/Czech transposition).

I'll take him for what he is. :bonk:

I thought that Roberto played extremely well. This is a guy that's used to playing game in and game out with the Panthers, and getting peppered with rubber. For yesterday's game he was a last-minute starter for an injured Brodeur, and had to go into a must-win game against an extremely talented team, having not played a high-level hockey game in months. There's no way this could have been easy. He was given almost no chance to adjust.

The "shaky" goals he let in were definitely questionable. Sure, there were redirections, but if Roberto was a little sharper mentally he would have been in position to save them. Regardless, Roberto gave an unbelievable performance when it matterend most, and gave Canada what they needed to win.

Vokoun also played extremely well. The Draper goal was a little weak, but if you were a goalie, wouldn't you be a little complacent if, of all people, Draper was streaking up the boards with the puck? ;) You can't fault him for the Brewer goal, the forwards had their backs turned, watching the puck behind the net, and Brewer tiptoed in front of the net. It was a great play. Lecavalier's goal was lucky, an incredibly sharp angle, but Vokoun had to assume Lecavalier would have gotten a shot on the first opportunity. He fully committed, and as a result he was completely out of position for Vinny's second chance at the puck.

One thing's for sure though, I'm going to be breathing a lot easier with Brodeur between the pipes again.

Agree 100% Parise - pretty much what I said in a previous post (best to ignore JackS's opinions).

Watching Luongo gooble with the puck, and constantly miss shoot-ins really makes you appreciate how Brodeur makes everything look so effortless.

We need him back there.

A career highlight package of greatest games for Roy or Hasek would put Brodeur to shame. And I like Brodeur. He's a solid NHL regular, reliable, the sort of guy you expect to neither win the game nor lose the game usually.

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I'm pretty certain you look at the style of goalie Roy and Hasek were to come up with your opinion. Flamboyant and self agrandizing seem to fit both goalies. They are obviously great and of that there is no debate. But you don't seem to give Brodeur much credit because the things that are best about his game are more difficult to notice. He is always calm and steady, he plays the puck or chooses to freeze it or keep it in play exactly when it matters. He doesn't flop like Hasek, nor rub the big saves in the oppositions faces like Roy, but the fact is he refuses to let other teams feel like they have a chance, and that makes his team stronger and the opposition weaker. I would have no problem taking Brodeur over Hasek in his prime, because ultimately Brodeur makes his team better while Hasek has always been all about himself. Most people seem to assume that the Devils have been good because of their system. After this series and the Olympics, it's clear to me that the Devils are Brodeurs team, and the majority of their success is because of his style of play in net.

What is it with you people trying to put down Brodeur as simply "a solid NHL goalie" and someone who will "neither win a game nor lose one"? I am not a fan of Brodeur or the Devils but I mean come on. I think that he is, hands down, the best goalie in the game today and firmly believe that when he retires will be regarded as the best goalie of all time. He has dominated this tournement as he dominated in Salt Lake City and has been the backbone of the Devils for almost a decade.

Those who use the Devil`s superior defense as an explanation for Brodeur`s stats really don`t have much of an argument since they play a defensive game because the entire franchise has been built around Brodeur and Stevens. The fact that he only faces 20 shots a game actually makes it harder on him since he has to stay sharp mentally through long periods with no work.

Add to all of this the fact that he has revolutionized the position with his puckhandling abilities to the point where the NHL is actually considering enforcing rules to neutralize this skill and create more offense.

IMO this guy is the best the game has ever seen.

He is among the very best, no question. Well said.

He was a little rusty at first, but with the Florida like shots allowed, he did impress me.

I don't see why nobody is hot on Luongo here... he sported a higher save percentage in regular season play than Brodeur and is a great up and coming goalie.

Because Luongo creates shots for himself, then saves them. Brodeur never allows those shots to occur. Canada also really missed the puckhandling ability

Luongo didn't perform poorly at all though. He stood on his head for moments. He let in a bad goal, but also made some great saves. However, he still is not in Brodeur's class.

Brodeur's achievements don't show up on a statsheet in anything other than a solid win.

Btw, if you want to talk about stats, see Brodeur's world cup performance vs Luongo's :) 3 Goals on 107 Shots for Brodeur, 3 goals on 37 shots for Luongo...

It doesn't work like that. When a goalie allows a few softies that shouldn't have went in, the whole team plays nervously. The effect a goalie has on the team that plays in front of him is huge. Especially considering the fact our defense is so young and we were facing the dangerous czechs.

Man, i guess that is true only for Canada...cause Vokoun let in plenty of crap goals...and their defense maintained form.

Man, i guess that is true only for Canada...cause Vokoun let in plenty of crap goals...and their defense maintained form.

They didn't maintain enough form to win. Throw Brodeur on the Czechs that game and its a win.

They didn't maintain enough form to win. Throw Brodeur on the Czechs that game and its a win.
And the Czechs defense still let up 16 fewer shots...they played solidly despite the weak goals given up by their goalie.

Easy to say hard to prove about Brodeur...

Throw Hasek on the Devils during the mid 90s and the Devils get 5 Cups and are a true dynasty.

Throw Brodeur on the Hurricanes and we won't be talking about him right now...

Brodeur has let in many shakey goals in his career....take last season's playoffs. Put Esche on the Devils and they make it to the next round instead of the Flyers.

And the Czechs defense still let up 16 fewer shots...they played solidly despite the weak goals given up by their goalie.

Easy to say hard to prove about Brodeur...

Throw Hasek on the Devils during the mid 90s and the Devils get 5 Cups and are a true dynasty.

Throw Brodeur on the Hurricanes and we won't be talking about him right now...

Brodeur has let in many shakey goals in his career....take last season's playoffs. Put Esche on the Devils and they make it to the next round instead of the Flyers.


I'm not going to start this argument again. But I disagree completely. Again this past game showed how much Brodeur's puckhandling, rebound control, and ability to make a big save at the right time (3 categories I think he is the best all-time at)add to a teams demeanor. Hasek and Roy have let in just as many weak goals as Brodeur. Hasek has probably let in even weaker but he's probably made bigger saves.

Easy to say hard to prove with Hasek/Esche on the Devils and Brodeur on Carolina.

You throw Keith Primeau on the Devils and the Devil's advance.

Easy to say hard to prove I know.

Last year's playoffs was not the best for Brodeur I know but the fact that he's goaltended more games in the past decade than any other goalie might have something to do with it. Or maybe it was their D with no size.

What I do know is Brodeur is racking up accomplishments left and right not because he is an above average goalie on elite teams its because he is an elite goalie on elite teams otherwise his luck woulda run out long ago.

And the Czechs defense still let up 16 fewer shots...they played solidly despite the weak goals given up by their goalie.

Easy to say hard to prove about Brodeur...

Throw Hasek on the Devils during the mid 90s and the Devils get 5 Cups and are a true dynasty.

Throw Brodeur on the Hurricanes and we won't be talking about him right now...

Brodeur has let in many shakey goals in his career....take last season's playoffs. Put Esche on the Devils and they make it to the next round instead of the Flyers.

Oh, look at the new theory...place <x> on another team and he would have been better or worse. Guess what? It didn't happen, so you're wrong. Brodeur and his 3 (and still counting!) Cups and 400+ wins (around 80-85 more than Roy had around the same time in his career) are making you look biased, though. Thanks for the 5 Cups laugh, too...since Hasek would never have lasted in NJ with his ego and blatant arrogance in the first place. But that's fine, because you showed us just how much you know about Brodeur and the Devils.

I'm not going to start this argument again. But I disagree completely. Again this past game showed how much Brodeur's puckhandling, rebound control, and ability to make a big save at the right time (3 categories I think he is the best all-time at)add to a teams demeanor. Hasek and Roy have let in just as many weak goals as Brodeur. Hasek has probably let in even weaker but he's probably made bigger saves.

Easy to say hard to prove with Hasek/Esche on the Devils and Brodeur on Carolina.

You throw Keith Primeau on the Devils and the Devil's advance.

Easy to say hard to prove I know.

Last year's playoffs was not the best for Brodeur I know but the fact that he's goaltended more games in the past decade than any other goalie might have something to do with it. Or maybe it was their D with no size.

What I do know is Brodeur is racking up accomplishments left and right not because he is an above average goalie on elite teams its because he is an elite goalie on elite teams otherwise his luck woulda run out long ago.


Don't worry, he's just angered at how Brodeur is on pace to obliterate nearly every goaltending record that will have mattered...

EDIT: Another thing that people fail to realize is how EASY it is to list series that goaltenders lost or were outmatched in. How about everyone's precious Roy (losing to Belfour--two seasons in a row, Vernon, Fernandez, Hasek, et al.)? That's not to mention his Game 7 record (6-7, a sparkling 6-2 at home but an abysmal 0-5 on the road). I'm not bashing Roy, as I feel he's accomplished the most (thus far), but I'm simply pointing out that anyone can be a moron and rip on any goaltender.

Don't worry, he's just angered at how Brodeur is on pace to obliterate nearly every goaltending record that will have mattered...

EDIT: Another thing that people fail to realize is how EASY it is to list series that goaltenders lost or were outmatched in. How about everyone's precious Roy (losing to Belfour--two seasons in a row, Vernon, Fernandez, Hasek, et al.)? That's not to mention his Game 7 record (6-7, a sparkling 6-2 at home but an abysmal 0-5 on the road). I'm not bashing Roy, as I feel he's accomplished the most (thus far), but I'm simply pointing out that anyone can be a moron and rip on any goaltender.
Or anyone can be a moron and overly praise their favorite goaltender. It goes both ways.

I don't hate Brodeur though. I think he is overrated by his fans and by most of the media so i voice my thoughts...i abstain a lot. But i knew as i watched that game (Czechs v Canada) that Luongo let in 3 goals and thus "Brodeur praise" would increase and that isn't fair. The Czechs created more scoring chances in that game than Brodeur had faced in any three games....

Or anyone can be a moron and overly praise their favorite goaltender. It goes both ways.

I don't hate Brodeur though. I think he is overrated by his fans and by most of the media so i voice my thoughts...i abstain a lot. But i knew as i watched that game (Czechs v Canada) that Luongo let in 3 goals and thus "Brodeur praise" would increase and that isn't fair. The Czechs created more scoring chances in that game than Brodeur had faced in any three games....

I agree about people being able to ridiculously praise their favorite netminder, but I saw just as many peeople (if not more) saying Brodeur would have lost the game or something ridiculous had he started in net. I wasn't bashing EITHER goaltender, but I think that it was unfair both ways.