Naslund and Forsberg

Before the tournament started, I heard all the hype about these 2 great players. They both played absolutely brutal; especially Naslund. :speechles

Yup.

Yeah.. Naslund played horrible in this tournament and Forsberg just doesn't look like he's close to 100% at all.

Forsberg is in pain
Naslund acts like he just got dumped by his girlfriend. and is just floating on the ice.

Maybe this will make them want to stay with their NHL clubs.

Maybe this will make them want to stay with their NHL clubs.


I hope so.

Today I can say with pride : "I never considered Naslund one of World's top 40 players, even when he was in the top 5 in NHL scoring."

For once, I was right :teach:

Today I can say with pride : "I never considered Naslund one of World's top 40 players, even when he was in the top 5 in NHL scoring."

For once, I was right :teach:
I'm not even going to bother with this one... if you would rather have 40 guys before Naslund, then I hope you are never an NHL GM.

Forsberg was fighting injuries (again), but he still showed some effort, Naslund just sucked. Maybe Naslund was still suffering from the elbow injury by Moore.

If they weren't 100%, they probably should've given their spots to someone else, but the drubbing at the hands of the Czechs was a team loss.

Today I can say with pride : "I never considered Naslund one of World's top 40 players, even when he was in the top 5 in NHL scoring."

For once, I was right :teach:
Name the 40 better players so I can have a laugh.

I never knew Naslund was a magician. :dunno:

Name the 40 better players so I can have a laugh.
I second that motion

please, name even 10:teach:

Hell, name 5 players better than Naslund and I will give you a medal. :shakehead

Hell, name 5 players better than Naslund and I will give you a medal. :shakehead

Forsberg,Sakic,Iginla,Kovalchuk and Steve Moore. :D

is it that Easports curse for Naslund?

Forsberg,Sakic,Iginla,Kovalchuk and Steve Moore. :D
Forsberg>Naslund
Sakic>Naslund imo
Naslund>Kovalchuk
Moore>>>Naslund :D

is it that Easports curse for Naslund?

The curse usually makes you get fatally injured or in a car accident or something, not to suddenly suck.

Today I can say with pride : "I never considered Naslund one of World's top 40 players, even when he was in the top 5 in NHL scoring."

For once, I was right :teach:

:lol: :lol

You are kidding......right ?? Naslund is easily top 5 for forwards and top 10 for all players.

The curse usually makes you get fatally injured or in a car accident or something, not to suddenly suck.it made eddie george suddenly suck

Hell, name 5 players better than Naslund and I will give you a medal. :shakehead

forsberg,sakic,lemieux,thornton,iginla

forsberg,sakic,lemieux,thornton,iginla


this is not for all-time.

My opinion

top forwards in the game

1. Forsberg
2. Iginla
3. Naslund
4. Kovalchuk
5. Sakic

this is not for all-time.

My opinion

top forwards in the game

1. Forsberg
2. Iginla
3. Naslund
4. Kovalchuk
5. Sakic


You seriously think Naslund is better than Sakic?

You seriously think Naslund is better than Sakic?

And he probably thinks Naslund will wind up in the HHOF too.

1. Inginla
2. Thornton
3. Kovalchuk
4. Sakic
5. Forsberg

Of the older players left in the game...or I should say older centers

Joe Sakic remains the best of the crop.

I think right now he plays better than Mario Lemieux, not saying much because of Mario's injury last year, but the year before I thought he was better.

I'm not saying that over the course of his career he has/was better than Mario, just within recent years...

I'd take him over Lemieux and Yzerman right now anyday.

Sakic is the best player in the league.

Naslund isnt even close to being in the top five.

Sakic is the best player in the league.

Naslund isnt even close to being in the top five.
Just where might you rate him? Considering everyone else seems to think he is top 5-7 calibur.

Just where might you rate him? Considering everyone else seems to think he is top 5-7 calibur.


probably just outside of the top 30 IMO.

I'm not even going to bother with this one... if you would rather have 40 guys before Naslund, then I hope you are never an NHL GM.


Better yet, I hope he does get to be a GM (of one of the other teams).

probably just outside of the top 30 IMO.

make a list.

And he probably thinks Naslund will wind up in the HHOF too.

1. Inginla
2. Thornton
3. Kovalchuk
4. Sakic
5. Forsberg

How can anyone think Thornton's better than Naslund?

Naslund outscored him last year.
And the year before that.
And the year before that.
And so on. And so on. And so on.

Naslund had 9 points in 7 playoff games.
Thornton had 0 points in 7 playoff games.

What has Thornton EVER done to put him ahead of Naslund, besides get into bar fights with police officers, hold out on his team, and whine?

Just where might you rate him? Considering everyone else seems to think he is top 5-7 calibur.

He's an Avs fan. Logic doesn't apply to him.

He's an Avs fan. Logic doesn't apply to him.

:shakehead

:shakehead

I cower before your mighty "shakehead" smiley.

I cower before your mighty "shakehead" smiley.

:shakehead

He's an Avs fan. Logic doesn't apply to him.
Exactly.

Exactly.


*cough* Pretenders *cough*

Come on, Canucks fans. This is HFboards. Keith Tkachuk is the all-time greatest NHL player as of right now. Don't get mad when a couple idiots decide Markus Naslund isn't top 30, despite being the top scorer of the last three years and in the top three each of those years.

Come on, Canucks fans. This is HFboards. Keith Tkachuk is the all-time greatest NHL player as of right now. Don't get mad when a couple idiots decide Markus Naslund isn't top 30, despite being the top scorer of the last three years and in the top three each of those years.

No,
Tkachuk is the best goal scorer in the World.
Modano is the best passer in the World.
Robert Esche is the best goalie in the World.
Ron Wilson is the best coach in the World.

Who else is the flavor of the minute?

Oh yea, Dainius Zubrus has more goals than Naslund, Lemieux, Forsberg, Sakic, Iginla, Orr, Gretzky, Bossy in the last month. So Obviously Zubrus is the best player in the world

Move over Tkachuk, Zubrus is tops.

probably just outside of the top 30 IMO.
Please, PLEASE make a list, I'm begging you PLEASE! :help:

Please, PLEASE make a list, I'm begging you PLEASE! :help:


Yeah Id like to see that list too.Wow 30 players better than Naslund.Well lets hear it....

dude...Naslund's awesome.

Today I can say with pride : "I never considered Naslund one of World's top 40 players, even when he was in the top 5 in NHL scoring."

For once, I was right :teach:

Forsberg is....

Sakic is the best player in the league.

Naslund isnt even close to being in the top five.

Ya seriously think Iginla's better than Naslund ?

LMAO :lol: You seriously think Naslund is better than Sakic?

Ya seriously think Iginla's better than Naslund ?

LMAO :lol:


I do. Regular season no, but playoffs and international comps where the opposition checking and defense is better then yep. Its easier to play Igilna's game in those circumstances than Naslund's.

I do. Regular season no, but playoffs and international comps where the opposition checking and defense is better then yep. Its easier to play Igilna's game in those circumstances than Naslund's.

Funny because I see it the other way around. Naslund is more reliable in the regular season but I look at Iginla as a guy you know you can count on to lead your team come post-season.

It was obvious that Forsberg wasn't physically ready to play hockey after his surgery. His skating looked horrible. But he is a stubborn man and tried to help. He more than anyone knows he was bad: "I have been totally useless". was his comment.

Näslund is all about confidence. When he has it he is one of the best players in the world, finding space for himself and his deadly shot. When he doesn't have it, he is invisible and he starts doubting. It was obvious he played without confidence here.

Now I don't think either player are "done" or anything like it. They had a bad tourney. As a swede it sucks, but thats life. I suspect it will be a USA-Can final now, and those games always are interesting.

Hey "enforcer", we're still waiting for that list....

Top 10 F IMO:

1) Forsberg
2) Iginla
3) Kovalchuk
4) Naslund
5) Sakic
6) Heatley
7) Thornton
8) Hossa
9) Sundin
10) Jagr

Ya seriously think Iginla's better than Naslund ?

LMAO :lol:

Ummm....yes.

Hey "enforcer", we're still waiting for that list....

im guessing he wont be posting on this thread anymore

Funny because I see it the other way around. Naslund is more reliable in the regular season but I look at Iginla as a guy you know you can count on to lead your team come post-season.

i think that is what me2 meant all along, regular season naslund is more reliable, playoff or international turnament iginla is better

Ummm....yes.

I'd say Naslund is better than Iginla, but I don't think it's laughable that some people think the other way around. It's pretty close.

I'd say Naslund is better than Iginla, but I don't think it's laughable that some people think the other way around. It's pretty close.

That's fair. I don't think the difference is laughable either, I just did not understand why that guy thought it was so funny.

Hey "enforcer", we're still waiting for that list....


Nope, dont want to waste my time doing a list but pretty much everyone on the current world cup rooster for Canada is a better hockey player than Naslund.

Forsberg is....


anyone who doesnt think that Sakic is the best player in the game doesnt know anything about hockey.

anyone who doesnt think that Sakic is the best player in the game doesnt know anything about hockey.

Wayne Gretzky doesn't know anything about hockey?

Wayne Gretzky doesn't know anything about hockey?

I bet Wayne would say Sakic is better than Naslund.

I bet Wayne would say Sakic is better than Naslund.

I bet Wayne Gretzky has already said Naslund is better.

Nope, dont want to waste my time doing a list but pretty much everyone on the current world cup rooster for Canada is a better hockey player than Naslund.

Make a list, I could use a good laugh.

I bet Wayne Gretzky has already said Naslund is better.

So, Naslund is the best player in the game because #99 said so? :lol

So, Naslund is the best player in the game because #99 said so? :lol

I guess the best knows who the best is, huh? :)

So, Naslund is the best player in the game because #99 said so? :lol

Maybe not, but one's thing for sure, you should stop betting, you could lose big money.

Maybe not, but one's thing for sure, you should stop betting, you could lose big money.


Naslund isn't even in the same league as Joe Sakic.

I guess the best knows who the best is, huh? :)

Just like you believe Ohlund is better than Thornton! :lol

http://www.hfboards.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=10854

Naslund isn't even in the same league as Joe Sakic.

Ya he is. The NHL ;)

Ya he is. The NHL ;)


;)

Just like you believe Ohlund is better than Thornton! :lol

http://www.hfboards.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=10854

We all have a little bit of homer in us. Ohlund a better hockey player than Thornton? Come playoff time yes (so far), but I dont truly believe Ohlund is better than Thornton.

Naslund ''not even'' in Sakic's league? :joker:

Sakic:
03-04 81GP 33G 54A 87PTS
02-03 58GP 26G 32A 58PTS
01-02 82 GP 26G 53A 79PTS
Total last 3 years:
221GP 85G 139A 224PTS

Naslund
03-04 78GP 35G 49A 84PTS
02-03 82GP 48PTS 56A 104PTS
01-02 81GP 40G 50A 90PTS
Total last 3 years:
241GP 123G 155A 278PTS

Seems to me like Naslund has outscored Joe by quite a bit over the past few years. :)

We all have a little bit of homer in us. Ohlund a better hockey player than Thornton? Come playoff time yes (so far), but I dont truly believe Ohlund is better than Thornton.

Naslund ''not even'' in Sakic's league? :joker:

Sakic:
03-04 81GP 33G 54A 87PTS
02-03 58GP 26G 32A 58PTS
01-02 82 GP 26G 53A 79PTS
Total last 3 years:
221GP 85G 139A 224PTS

Naslund
03-04 78GP 35G 49A 84PTS
02-03 82GP 48PTS 56A 104PTS
01-02 81GP 40G 50A 90PTS
Total last 3 years:
241GP 123G 155A 278PTS

Seems to me like Naslund has outscored Joe by quite a bit over the past few years. :)


Try last 5 years. Try the playoffs. Not even close.

Naslund:

Gp G A P

26 7 12 19


Sakic:

Gp G A P

142 71 86 157

Naslund is quite the playoff performer.

Try last 5 years. Try the playoffs. Not even close.

What Naslund and Sakic did in 1998 and 1999 is irrelevent, Sakic was in his prime 5 years ago while Naslund was just a kid. We're talking about current day Tito, perhaps something you're unfamiliar with.

What Naslund and Sakic did in 1998 and 1999 is irrelevent, Sakic was in his prime 5 years ago while Naslund was just a kid. We're talking about current day Tito, perhaps something you're unfamiliar with.

The current day you say? Who outscored who this season? Hmmmm.... Sakic

Sakic was in his prime 5 years ago? I beg to differ; he's still top 5 in the league.

The top 10 or so forwards are so close in ability that it comes down to the situation they play in. Using a moronic looking head shaker to illustrate how a Sakic is vastly superior to a Naslund [or vice versa]is just a way of not backing up an arguement. Whoever claimed that Naslund was inferior to anyone on Team Canada, if I ever get a GM job, I hope you're in the league for me to trade with. Sure Naslund can't compete with Morrow,Draper, Ryan Smyth and co. [and I love those 3 players.]

I wonder sometimes, is it that important to think you're right ?

The current day you say? Who outscored who this season? Hmmmm.... Sakic

Who played the final 20 games + 7 playoff games with a lacerated elbow and post-consussion syndrome?

Who played the final 20 games + 7 playoff games with a lacerated elbow and post-consussion syndrome?

I'm guessing Naslund or else you're arguing against yourself :)

As for my opinion on Sakic/Naslund (even though the topic is Naslund/Forsberg)

I think if you ask any GM in the league or any person "in the know," who the most consistent players over the past 3 years have been, they'd say Sakic and Naslund. Sakic has obviously had the better career, but at this stage they're about as close as you can get when it comes to two hockey players.

Who played the final 20 games + 7 playoff games with a lacerated elbow and post-consussion syndrome?


Oh, excuses now? :lol

That Naslund character sure knows how to lead his team in the playoffs.

Oh, excuses now? :lol

That Naslund character sure knows how to lead his team in the playoffs.

Not too many players can rack up 9 playoff points in 7 games with a lacerated elbow. :)

Not too many players can rack up 9 playoff points in 7 games with a lacerated elbow. :)


:nopity:

:nopity:

I think you've set the record for most avatars in the span of 5 minutes :)

alright, everyone knock it off. this is the world cup board, and as far as i know, bertuzzi isn't playing in the world cup. get it back on topic.

I think you've set the record for most avatars in the span of 5 minutes :)


He keeps giving me more and more excuses. ;)

alright, everyone knock it off. this is the world cup board, and as far as i know, bertuzzi isn't playing in the world cup. get it back on topic.


Alright.

Regardless of whether or not you believe Naslund is better than Sakic in the regular season, Sakic is head and shoulders above Naslund come playoff time. He quite simply is one of the best money goal scorers EVER, and up until this series against the Flames, Naslund has struggled in the playoffs. The only player who has come close to matching Sakic's dominance the past several years, in terms of the playoffs, would be Peter Forsberg, and even he has been outshone by Sakic.

and up until this series against the Flames, Naslund has struggled in the playoffs.

14 points in 14 games in the 03' playoffs for Naslund is 'struggling'?

14 points in 14 games in the 03' playoffs for Naslund is 'struggling'?

-6

-6

Dan Cloutier, nuff' said.

Dan Cloutier, nuff' said.

Another excuse? :shakehead

Just like you believe Ohlund is better than Thornton! :lol

http://www.hfboards.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=10854

Now if you actually knew what you're talking about (and you don't), you'd see that the poll was "Which 98 Calder candidate is the best player right now?". Last I checked, Joe Thornton scored 7 points in 98. That doesn't exactly make you a Calder candidate. Fact is, Joe Thornton shouldn't be in the poll. It's like me asking who the Canadian player was and putting Peter Forsberg in the poll.

Don't get me wrong, I think Naslund is a good player, but he lacks the drive and determination. In other words, he has no heart. :)

Now if you actually knew what you're talking about (and you don't), you'd see that the poll was "Which 98 Calder candidate is the best player right now?". Last I checked, Joe Thornton scored 7 points in 98. That doesn't exactly make you a Calder candidate. Fact is, Joe Thornton shouldn't be in the poll. It's like me asking who the Canadian player was and putting Peter Forsberg in the poll.


Well, he was in the poll and he's the best player in that poll. Ohlund is nowhere near Thornton.

Well, he was in the poll and he's the best player in that poll. Ohlund is nowhere near Thornton.

You're missing the point. He SHOULDN'T have been in the poll. He WASN'T a 1998 Calder Candidate. Would you vote for Peter Forsberg in a poll of the best Canadian players?

And for as far as Ohlund being nowhere near Thornton, the last Vancouver-Boston game I watched, Ohlund was all over Thornton. Shut him down completely.

You're missing the point. He SHOULDN'T have been in the poll. He WASN'T a 1998 Calder Candidate. Would you vote for Peter Forsberg in a poll of the best Canadian players?

And for as far as Ohlund being nowhere near Thornton, the last Vancouver-Boston game I watched, Ohlund was all over Thornton. Shut him down completely.


My point is, he's in the poll and he's the best player.

14 points in 14 games in the 03' playoffs for Naslund is 'struggling'?

1g 6a and a -4 against the Wild (4g 3a -2 against the Blues). He did almost nothing in the last 3 games against the Wild, and stats do not tell the whole story. It was not a secret that Naslund and Bertuzzi had a pitiful playoff performance in 03, as well as in 02. In fact, it was one of the main knocks against them....great regular season...poor post-season. There were several games (4) where he was held pointless, and in game 7 when his team needed him most.....he was non-existent, and the Nucks folded. I'm not arguing how good of a player Naslund is, but in terms of sheer playoff performance, Sakic owns him....Sakic owns just about every player in that respect to be blunt.

My point is, he's in the poll and he's the best player.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a three year-old. Thank you for proving my point that logic doesn't apply to Avs fans.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a three year-old. Thank you for proving my point that logic doesn't apply to Avs fans.

Boohoo.

1g 6a and a -4 against the Wild (4g 3a -2 against the Blues). He did almost nothing in the last 3 games against the Wild, and stats do not tell the whole story. It was not a secret that Naslund and Bertuzzi had a pitiful playoff performance in 03, as well as in 02. In fact, it was one of the main knocks against them....great regular season...poor post-season. There were several games (4) where he was held pointless, and in game 7 when his team needed him most.....he was non-existent, and the Nucks folded. I'm not arguing how good of a player Naslund is, but in terms of sheer playoff performance, Sakic owns him....Sakic owns just about every player in that respect to be blunt.

Well then you're admitting that Naslund has just as much raw ability and skill as anyone alive if a point-per game against defensive exhausted teams such as Minny is 'Pitiful'.

I'm not even going to bother with this one... if you would rather have 40 guys before Naslund, then I hope you are never an NHL GM..

in no order

1. Joe Sakic
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Brad Richards
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Ryan Smyth
6. Joe Thornton
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Mike Peca
10. Brad Richards
11. Dany Heatley
12. Shane Doan
13. Patrick Marleau
14. Simon Gagne
15. Peter Forsberg
16. Bill Guerin
17. Mike Modano
18. Todd Bertuzzi
19. Steve Yzerman
20. Keith Primeau
21. Rob Blake
22. Adam Foote
23. Niklas Lidstrom
24. Chris Pronger
25. Ed Jovanovski
26. Robyn Regehr
27. Scott Neidermyer
28. Zdeno Chara
29. Wade Redden
30. Doug Weight
31. Roberto Luongo
32. Jay Bouwmeester
33. Martin Brodeur
34. Rick Nash
35. Martin St Louis
36. Marian Gaborik
37. Keith Tkachuk
38. Jeff ONeill
39. Martin Havlat
40. Mattias Ohlund

well, there is 40 players Id take ahead of Naslund. Not all are better scorers or as skilled, I admit (and some are goalies). However, id rather have each one of them over Naslund.

there wouldnt be 40 forwards thought that I select ahead of Markus.

DR

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in no order

1. Joe Sakic
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Brad Richards
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Ryan Smyth
6. Joe Thornton
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Mike Peca
10. Brad Richards
11. Dany Heatley
12. Shane Doan
13. Patrick Marleau
14. Simon Gagne
15. Peter Forsberg
16. Bill Guerin
17. Mike Modano
18. Todd Bertuzzi
19. Steve Yzerman
20. Keith Primeau
21. Rob Blake
22. Adam Foote
23. Niklas Lidstrom
24. Chris Pronger
25. Ed Jovanovski
26. Robyn Regehr
27. Scott Neidermyer
28. Zdeno Chara
29. Wade Redden
30. Doug Weight
31. Roberto Luongo
32. Jay Bouwmeester
33. Martin Brodeur
34. Rick Nash
35. Martin St Louis
36. Marian Gaborik
37. Keith Tkachuk
38. Jeff ONeill
39. Martin Havlat
40. Mattias Ohlund

well, there is 40 players Id take ahead of Naslund. Not all are better scorers or as skilled, I admit (and some are goalies). However, id rather have each one of them over Naslund.

there wouldnt be 40 forwards thought that I select ahead of Markus.

DR

Thats.....surreal.

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in no order

1. Joe Sakic
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Brad Richards
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Ryan Smyth
6. Joe Thornton
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Mike Peca
10. Brad Richards
11. Dany Heatley
12. Shane Doan
13. Patrick Marleau
14. Simon Gagne
15. Peter Forsberg
16. Bill Guerin
17. Mike Modano
18. Todd Bertuzzi
19. Steve Yzerman
20. Keith Primeau
21. Rob Blake
22. Adam Foote
23. Niklas Lidstrom
24. Chris Pronger
25. Ed Jovanovski
26. Robyn Regehr
27. Scott Neidermyer
28. Zdeno Chara
29. Wade Redden
30. Doug Weight
31. Roberto Luongo
32. Jay Bouwmeester
33. Martin Brodeur
34. Rick Nash
35. Martin St Louis
36. Marian Gaborik
37. Keith Tkachuk
38. Jeff ONeill
39. Martin Havlat
40. Mattias Ohlund

well, there is 40 players Id take ahead of Naslund. Not all are better scorers or as skilled, I admit (and some are goalies). However, id rather have each one of them over Naslund.

there wouldnt be 40 forwards thought that I select ahead of Markus.

DR
Thats quite a list :innocent: personly i can only pick 39 of those players listed...take a guess who i WOULDN'T take over Nazzy! :D

How in the hell does Palffy not make everyone's top 10 (let alone a top 40 list). For my money he is the equal of any offensive player in the league.

Well then you're admitting that Naslund has just as much raw ability and skill as anyone alive if a point-per game against defensive exhausted teams such as Minny is 'Pitiful'.

He always had a lot of raw ability and skill. Even when struggling in Pittsburgh.

As for Näslund in the playoffs. I wouldn't call him a clutch player. I wouldn't call him a guy that takes the team on his back and carries them. But it's not like he is horrible or anything. I think he never will be 100% comfortable being the guy everyone expects to do it. When he has Bertuzzi there is someone that can shoulder the burden and he performs a bit better.

personly i can only pick 39 of those players listed...take a guess who i WOULDN'T take over Nazzy! :D
I guess you wouldn't take both #3 and #10 :dunno:

Well then you're admitting that Naslund has just as much raw ability and skill as anyone alive if a point-per game against defensive exhausted teams such as Minny is 'Pitiful'.

I never said he doesn't have world class ability, etc. I simply said that he did not have a good playoff run, and we both know it. He was average in 03, and he had no excuse to be average. On the other hand, Joe Sakic is never average in the playoffs......he excels there. This is the only point I am making. I like Naslund, don't get me wrong, but if it comes down to choosing who is the better forward...I take Sakic everytime due to his leadership abilities (which IMO are significantly better), clutch performances, and almost identical abilities.

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in no order

1. Joe Sakic
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Brad Richards
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Ryan Smyth
6. Joe Thornton
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Mike Peca
10. Brad Richards
11. Dany Heatley
12. Shane Doan
13. Patrick Marleau
14. Simon Gagne
15. Peter Forsberg
16. Bill Guerin
17. Mike Modano
18. Todd Bertuzzi
19. Steve Yzerman
20. Keith Primeau
21. Rob Blake
22. Adam Foote
23. Niklas Lidstrom
24. Chris Pronger
25. Ed Jovanovski
26. Robyn Regehr
27. Scott Neidermyer
28. Zdeno Chara
29. Wade Redden
30. Doug Weight
31. Roberto Luongo
32. Jay Bouwmeester
33. Martin Brodeur
34. Rick Nash
35. Martin St Louis
36. Marian Gaborik
37. Keith Tkachuk
38. Jeff ONeill
39. Martin Havlat
40. Mattias Ohlund

well, there is 40 players Id take ahead of Naslund. Not all are better scorers or as skilled, I admit (and some are goalies). However, id rather have each one of them over Naslund.

there wouldnt be 40 forwards thought that I select ahead of Markus.

DR

wow, you would seriously take ALL those guys ahead of naslund? the same naslund who score the most points in the last 3 seasons? the same naslund who lead the lead in points many times over the last 2 years? the same naslund who was voted as the best player in the nhl by the players a couple seasons ago? granted, naslund had a god-awful WC, but c'mon!! be serious. regehr? guerin? they are playing well in the WC, but try offering them up in a trade for naslund in the nhl. o'neill? tkachuk? ok whatever dude.

1g 6a and a -4 against the Wild (4g 3a -2 against the Blues). He did almost nothing in the last 3 games against the Wild, and stats do not tell the whole story. It was not a secret that Naslund and Bertuzzi had a pitiful playoff performance in 03, as well as in 02. In fact, it was one of the main knocks against them....great regular season...poor post-season. There were several games (4) where he was held pointless, and in game 7 when his team needed him most.....he was non-existent, and the Nucks folded. I'm not arguing how good of a player Naslund is, but in terms of sheer playoff performance, Sakic owns him....Sakic owns just about every player in that respect to be blunt.

one thing about his +/- is that naslund scored most of his points on the PP. yes, he wasnt very good defensively that playoff, but i think his +/- is somewhat misleading, and to use that to say he have a pitiful playoff is wrong, just as wrong as saying malik had a all-star season because of his +35 (or something like that)

the same naslund who score the most points in the last 3 seasons? .

points arent everything and yes i like each one of those guys more than Naslund.

dr

this is not for all-time.

My opinion

top forwards in the game

1. Forsberg
2. Iginla
3. Naslund
4. Kovalchuk
5. Sakic



1- Iginla
2- Sakic
3- Kovalchuk
4- Hossa
5- St. Louis

then Hejduk, Naslund, Lecavalier... (on last season's points per game average alone, i would put Forsberg at the top of the list, but he's so banged up these days and seems to lack the inspirations and drive...clearly his best chunks are behind him).

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in no order

1. Joe Sakic
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Brad Richards
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Ryan Smyth
6. Joe Thornton
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Mike Peca
10. Brad Richards
11. Dany Heatley
12. Shane Doan
13. Patrick Marleau
14. Simon Gagne
15. Peter Forsberg
16. Bill Guerin
17. Mike Modano
18. Todd Bertuzzi
19. Steve Yzerman
20. Keith Primeau
21. Rob Blake
22. Adam Foote
23. Niklas Lidstrom
24. Chris Pronger
25. Ed Jovanovski
26. Robyn Regehr
27. Scott Neidermyer
28. Zdeno Chara
29. Wade Redden
30. Doug Weight
31. Roberto Luongo
32. Jay Bouwmeester
33. Martin Brodeur
34. Rick Nash
35. Martin St Louis
36. Marian Gaborik
37. Keith Tkachuk
38. Jeff ONeill
39. Martin Havlat
40. Mattias Ohlund

well, there is 40 players Id take ahead of Naslund. Not all are better scorers or as skilled, I admit (and some are goalies). However, id rather have each one of them over Naslund.

there wouldnt be 40 forwards thought that I select ahead of Markus.

DR


This should win post of the year.
You can guess the category.

one thing about his +/- is that naslund scored most of his points on the PP. yes, he wasnt very good defensively that playoff, but i think his +/- is somewhat misleading, and to use that to say he have a pitiful playoff is wrong, just as wrong as saying malik had a all-star season because of his +35 (or something like that)

Naslund never has been good defensively, coming out of the gate this season, he was adaquete in his own end, but lets not ever imply that he has Modano-like two-way skills. He simply doesn't, and usually thats fine. In the playoffs, when he should have been dominating offensively he was not, and this is why his -6 stat is more effective. Its surprising to note that he was a -4 against the Wild....who had an enormously weak offense, which suggests to me that the top line for the Canucks was turning the puck over way too much. As for the remark about his performance being pitiful in the playoffs....maybe I am being too harsh, but at the time I distinctly recal disgust from a LOT of Nuck fans as well. Naslund simply didn't play up to his ability in any way shape or form....you recall it was the year he put up 49 goals and finished second in scoring with over 100 points....Going into the playoffs, it was supposed to be Naslund/Bertuzzi domination. Instead, Bertuzzi sat in the penalty box, and Naslund couldn't lead his team to victory. In that regard, he did have a pitiful playoff. Looking back on his career, 2003 was likely his peak year...the one year he had the health, as well as ability on the ice, to take his team all the way....and he failed to so. Granted it was a team effort and Cloutier wasn't all that sharp....I still think Naslund was unimpressive in the playoffs in terms of how he can play and in regards to other elite playoff performers, such as Sakic.

points arent everything and yes i like each one of those guys more than Naslund.

dr

Even O'Neill? :joker:

nazzy >>>> evrybody!!!!!!1111

points arent everything and yes i like each one of those guys more than Naslund.

dr

but i hope that goals, assists and points count as something ! some of the players in your list didnt even score half as many points as naslund, and im not talking about Dman or goalies either.

any GM would take sakic over naslund if they had to pick !! Naslund is good but he is not nearly as much of a a stud and or as respected as Sakic.....

any GM would take sakic over naslund if they had to pick !! Naslund is good but he is not nearly as much of a a stud and or as respected as Sakic.....

He's 5 years younger, however. I guarantee you some GM's would take Naslund over Sakic.

Since I can remember Naslund and Forberg have never played that good in the international games, compared to how they play in the nhl.

This should win post of the year.
You can guess the category.

Right on!! Robyn Regher??? Jeff O'neill??? You gotta be kidding me!

1- Iginla
2- Sakic
3- Kovalchuk
4- Hossa
5- St. Louis

then Hejduk, Naslund, Lecavalier... (on last season's points per game average alone, i would put Forsberg at the top of the list, but he's so banged up these days and seems to lack the inspirations and drive...clearly his best chunks are behind him).


I can still see Forsberg leading the league in points next season even if he's a little banged up.

My top 5:

Forsberg
Iginla
Kovalchuk
Sakic

I can still see Forsberg leading the league in points next season even if he's a little banged up.

My top 5:

Forsberg
Iginla
Kovalchuk
Sakic

Add Kovalev to that list and im not being biased :) .

Right on!! Robyn Regher??? Jeff O'neill??? You gotta be kidding me!

Simon Gagne :joker:, Ryan Smyth, Mike Peca, Steve Yzerman, Marian Gaborik, Doug Weight, Martin Havlat, Bill Guerin, Patrick Marleau, Shane Doan...

He truly does live in a Demented reality..

He's 5 years younger, however. I guarantee you some GM's would take Naslund over Sakic.

Maybe some, but I bet 30 GM's would rather have Sakic in the playoffs.

Simon Gagne :joker:, Ryan Smyth, Mike Peca, Steve Yzerman, Marian Gaborik, Doug Weight, Martin Havlat, Bill Guerin, Patrick Marleau, Shane Doan...

He truly does live in a Demented reality..

why wouldnt you take any of those players ? its a matter of personal opinion. other than Gaborik, those guys play a different type of game than Naslund, if you didnt notice.

Naslund will score more points than most of them, woopee.
DR

its a matter of personal opinion.
DR

It's a matter of cocaine.

He's 5 years younger, however. I guarantee you some GM's would take Naslund over Sakic.

I thought Naslund had talked about retiring back to Sweden, or at least going home to play, once his contract is up with the Nucks (He has what, a year + a team option left)? That could hurt his chances of being picked as well...

It's a matter of cocaine.

ah ... dont quit your day job son.

dr

why wouldnt you take any of those players ? its a matter of personal opinion. other than Gaborik, those guys play a different type of game than Naslund, if you didnt notice.

Naslund will score more points than most of them, woopee.
DR

i'd say havlat plays a simliar game as naslund too. and sure, they all bring different element to a team, but are those elements enough to make up the 20-30 pts naslund will likely outscore them by? is a 39 year old yzerman with all the surgeries really better than a 30 year old naslund? or a o'neill that score 14 goals last yr better than naslund? its your opinion and thats fine, but its no wonder people dont take you seriously here.

i'd say havlat plays a simliar game as naslund too. and sure, they all bring different element to a team, but are those elements enough to make up the 20-30 pts naslund will likely outscore them by? is a 39 year old yzerman with all the surgeries really better than a 30 year old naslund? or a o'neill that score 14 goals last yr better than naslund? its your opinion and thats fine, but its no wonder people dont take you seriously here.

Havlat: true, he does play a similar game, but you wont ever see Naslund take a chop to another player (ie .. Recchi and Messier). and sure i dont advocate silly actions like that, it shows a side to the player that is neccesary.

Yzerman: id prefer him on my team because he is a winner, a leader and someone who can rally the troops. Naslund is none of the above, although long term I can admit Naslund is more valuable.

ONeill: He had a down season. Ok he might be a stretch, but even if I give you these three above, there are still multiple players Id rather have then Naslund.

dr

points arent everything and yes i like each one of those guys more than Naslund.

dr

Yet you pick offense only guys like Hossa, Weight, Gaborik and Kovalchuk who still scores less points than Naslund :dunno: Logic?

Yzerman: id prefer him on my team because he is a winner, a leader and someone who can rally the troops. Naslund is none of the above, although long term I can admit Naslund is more valuable.

Stuff like this just makes me laugh. How in the hell can a bunch of internet hockey nerds like us know who is a great leader and who isn't in hockey? Have any of you ever played with them? Been in th locker room with them?

lemiuex
sakic
kovulchuk
Heatly
Forsberg
Igilna
Pronger
Neidemeyr
Blake
Broduer
Luongo
Kipper
Chara

in no prticular order are better then naslund right now though naslund holds more value then some of thes player that puts naslund in the 12-15 range he is ovbiously top 15 but i wouldn't put him top 10 though he is close

lemiuex
sakic
kovulchuk
Heatly
Forsberg
Igilna
Pronger
Neidemeyr
Blake
Broduer
Luongo
Kipper
Chara

in no prticular order are better then naslund right now

Says who? You? Last time I checked Wayne Gretzky called Naslund the best in the NHL period. Also if memory serves correct Naslund won the Pearson only last year, no? Judging by the way you spelled Iginla and Kovalchuk, you probably dont know what that is - the Pearson means you're the best in the game according to your peers.

Today I can say with pride : "I never considered Naslund one of World's top 40 players, even when he was in the top 5 in NHL scoring."

For once, I was right

:lol :lol: :lol: :joker: :lol

Yet you pick offense only guys like Hossa, Weight, Gaborik and Kovalchuk who still scores less points than Naslund :dunno: Logic? ?

well they bring other things to the ice in the case of Weight and in the case of Kovalchuk, Hossa and Gaborik are much more exciting. I find Naslund to be quite bland. pardon me.




Stuff like this just makes me laugh. How in the hell can a bunch of internet hockey nerds like us know who is a great leader and who isn't in hockey? Have any of you ever played with them? Been in th locker room with them?

well, this is a fair point. however, i think in the case of Yzerman its well documented his leadership value.

dr

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in no order

1. Joe Sakic
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Brad Richards
4. Vincent Lecavalier
5. Ryan Smyth
6. Joe Thornton
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Mike Peca
10. Brad Richards
11. Dany Heatley
12. Shane Doan
13. Patrick Marleau
14. Simon Gagne
15. Peter Forsberg
16. Bill Guerin
17. Mike Modano
18. Todd Bertuzzi
19. Steve Yzerman
20. Keith Primeau
21. Rob Blake
22. Adam Foote
23. Niklas Lidstrom
24. Chris Pronger
25. Ed Jovanovski
26. Robyn Regehr
27. Scott Neidermyer
28. Zdeno Chara
29. Wade Redden
30. Doug Weight
31. Roberto Luongo
32. Jay Bouwmeester
33. Martin Brodeur
34. Rick Nash
35. Martin St Louis
36. Marian Gaborik
37. Keith Tkachuk
38. Jeff ONeill
39. Martin Havlat
40. Mattias Ohlund

well, there is 40 players Id take ahead of Naslund. Not all are better scorers or as skilled, I admit (and some are goalies). However, id rather have each one of them over Naslund.

there wouldnt be 40 forwards thought that I select ahead of Markus.

DR

Naslund's intangibles are in his exemplification of leadership through consistency. That is far more valuable than the fact that Bill Guerin and Shane Doan can hit. You can't value one form of intangible while ignoring Naslund's.

That is why this is probably the dumbest list I've ever seen compiled at HF.

well they bring other things to the ice in the case of Weight and in the case of Kovalchuk, Hossa and Gaborik are much more exciting. I find Naslund to be quite bland. pardon me.






well, this is a fair point. however, i think in the case of Yzerman its well documented his leadership value.

dr

Because they "are much more exciting" so you can conclude they are better than Naslund?

I guess Pavel Bure is much better than Joe Sakic then.

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You contradict yourself again and show your anti-Naslund bias with the Yzerman comment. Sure Yzerman's got leadership but Naslund has scoring and leadership. For your younger players, you ignore the fact that they lack leadership but allow scoring to be the criterion while for older players you ignore the fact that they lack scoring but make leadership the criterion.

This is like saying Jason Chimera and Michael Rupp are better than Peter Forsberg since Rupp is bigger than Forsberg and Chimera is faster than Forsberg.

Havlat: true, he does play a similar game, but you wont ever see Naslund take a chop to another player (ie .. Recchi and Messier). and sure i dont advocate silly actions like that, it shows a side to the player that is neccesary.

Yzerman: id prefer him on my team because he is a winner, a leader and someone who can rally the troops. Naslund is none of the above, although long term I can admit Naslund is more valuable.

ONeill: He had a down season. Ok he might be a stretch, but even if I give you these three above, there are still multiple players Id rather have then Naslund.

dr

havlat: him taking a chop to another player (to recchi's head if i remember correctly) shows a side that is neccesary. what side is that? boy you must love bertuzzi then.
yzerman: yes he was (and still is) a winner, but can he help you win on the ice? how far did he "lead" his wings the last 2 years in the playoff? as bad as a leader you think naslund is, his canucks (with a lower payroll) went just as far as the wings (2nd round) the last 2 years.

you value kovalchuk, hossa, and gaborik higher because they are more exciting !?!? :dunno: it would've been so much better if you say they are younger and have potential to do better. saying they are better because they are more exciting just doesnt make you sound too smart there.

well, this is a fair point. however, i think in the case of Yzerman its well documented his leadership value.
Bah, pre-'97 people everywhere were talking so much crap about Yzerman's leadership skills, then when he finally won a cup in '97 the tides turned and every journalist everywhere found their column of the day writing poetically about "the great leader Yzerman". :shakehead Let's face it none of us have a clue about it.

well they bring other things to the ice in the case of Weight and in the case of Kovalchuk, Hossa and Gaborik are much more exciting. I find Naslund to be quite bland. pardon me.
Now you're just getting EXTREMELY silly. A player is better even though because he's more "exciting" :lol That's just pathetic. I guess in your world Maxim Afinogenov is the best player in the world.

Bah, pre-'97 people everywhere were talking so much crap about Yzerman's leadership skills, then when he finally won a cup in '97 the tides turned and every journalist everywhere found their column of the day writing poetically about "the great leader Yzerman". :shakehead Let's face it none of us have a clue about it.

Now you're just getting EXTREMELY silly. A player is better even though because he's more "exciting" :lol That's just pathetic. I guess in your world Maxim Afinogenov is the best player in the world.

well, those guys back up their "exciting" play with numbers too (unlike Max). hey, if you like Naslund more than those players, thats good on ya. Id have no problem if the Canucks traded Naslund for Havlat, Hossa or god forbid Kovalchuk.

Neither Havlat or Hossa has near the numbers that Näslund has, and neither of the two players bring much else to the ice. So they're better because they're more "exciting"? :dunno:

What you're saying is that style ranks over substance. It just doesn't add up.

Says who? You? Last time I checked Wayne Gretzky called Naslund the best in the NHL period. Also if memory serves correct Naslund won the Pearson only last year, no? Judging by the way you spelled Iginla and Kovalchuk, you probably dont know what that is - the Pearson means you're the best in the game according to your peers.

so ur telling me that u think nazzy is better then all those players beacsue of one award he got 2 years ago lemieux would have easily won that had he not got injured. Do we agree that gretzky's opinion means something?

Neither Havlat or Hossa has near the numbers that Näslund has, and neither of the two players bring much else to the ice. So they're better because they're more "exciting"? :dunno:

What you're saying is that style ranks over substance. It just doesn't add up.

hossa and havlat bring more to the game then just scoring. hossa plays a power forward game and havlat will take your head off if you catch him at the wrong time. and both play a much better defensive game then Naslund.

naslund pretty much has tea and & biscuits waiting for the opposition.

dr

ah ... dont quit your day job son.

dr

You said you would take Gagne over Naslund. Thats some sort of drug speaking. No other explaination.

Naslund's intangibles are in his exemplification of leadership through consistency. That is far more valuable than the fact that Bill Guerin and Shane Doan can hit. You can't value one form of intangible while ignoring Naslund's.

That is why this is probably the dumbest list I've ever seen compiled at HF.

Off-topic, but I'll point out that Doan has a hell of a lot more intangibles than simply being able to hit. His leadership skills and character (I support the guy who suggested that who of us could possibly say that someone's a good or bad leader without having been in "the room" with the guys, but I'm going off of what everyone connected to the Jets/Yotes organization have said about the guy) combine with his effectiveness at both ends of the ice AND his physical play to make him truely one of the more valuable guys in the league.

Off-topic, but I'll point out that Doan has a hell of a lot more intangibles than simply being able to hit. His leadership skills and character (I support the guy who suggested that who of us could possibly say that someone's a good or bad leader without having been in "the room" with the guys, but I'm going off of what everyone connected to the Jets/Yotes organization have said about the guy) combine with his effectiveness at both ends of the ice AND his physical play to make him truely one of the more valuable guys in the league.

watching some of the games between 'nucks and yotes and some WC games, i'd say doan have even more than that. he have a great shot, good speed, versitile, and can make room for his linemates. he is very very valuable. but i will still take naslund over him because aside from being able to score, naslund also have lots of intangibles.

hossa and havlat bring more to the game then just scoring. hossa plays a power forward game and havlat will take your head off if you catch him at the wrong time. and both play a much better defensive game then Naslund.

naslund pretty much has tea and & biscuits waiting for the opposition.

dr

i still dont get how havlat "will take your head off" makes him a better player then naslund?
and naslund isnt that bad defensively. sure, he'll never will the selke trophy, but you make him out to be invisible in his own zone. he can be effective at times, he can cost his team sometime, but overall i'd say hes about average.

The current day you say? Who outscored who this season? Hmmmm.... Sakic

Naslund still has a small PPG edge over Sakic.
1.076 (Naslund) vs. 1.074 (Sakic)

watching some of the games between 'nucks and yotes and some WC games, i'd say doan have even more than that. he have a great shot, good speed, versitile, and can make room for his linemates. he is very very valuable. but i will still take naslund over him because aside from being able to score, naslund also have lots of intangibles.

Yeah it all depends on the sort of player you need in the lineup. I think its awful far--fetched to say that there are 40 players in the league that you'd rather have than Nas. He simply scores too much, is too good a guy in the room, to overlook.

Yeah it all depends on the sort of player you need in the lineup. I think its awful far--fetched to say that there are 40 players in the league that you'd rather have than Nas. He simply scores too much, is too good a guy in the room, to overlook.

every team have different needs, just because a team like Ottawa (for example) will prefer doan over naslund, doesnt mean doan is better then naslund.
i think to find out how many players are actually better then naslund, ask yourself this question: if you build a team for 1 cup run next season, regardless of salary, who would you pick ahead of naslund? wont be o'neill, regher, or yzerman, among others listed.