Team Quebec VS English Canada......

Hiya Gang......

I couldn't help but notice that alot of the key players on the Team canada roster this time around are from the province of Quebec........we're talking about the likes of Lemieux, St.Louis, LeCavalier, Gagne and Brodeur.........I've also heard some discussion in here about how this tourney needs some more teams added to the equation and that's when I started thinking to myself about how a Team made up of just Quebecers would fair in the World Cup of hockey............so my question here for all of you is a two parter:

(A) Who would you include on your Team Quebec and Team English Canada rosters?

(B) If the Finals featured these 2-teams in a best out-of-three who would win the Series?..........Team Quebec OR Team English Canada?........

Let the debate(s) Begin.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

P.S.........maybe the fans from Western Canada can come up with a team Canada-West roster and the fans from Ontario come up with a roster for a Team Ontario.

Quebec will separate from Canada in the 20 years to come.

A) I started to think about who to include on Team Quebec when I realized they'd have no defesemen.

A) I started to think about who to include on Team Quebec when I realized they'd have no defesemen.

Patrice Brisebois? :dunno:

out of the current team Canada: Brodeur, Luongo, Theodore, Gagne, Lecavalier, and Lemieux are from Quebec. obviously they'd lack the goaltending they have right now (they'd still have Belfour, Turco, Roloson and Burke, with Raycroft for the future.), but they're still a solid team without those from Quebec.

team Quebec would obviously have the best goaltenders, but they couldn't put together the kind of team that Canada could.

ok lets try it out.

Team Canada

Nash-Sakic-Iginla
Smyth-Thornton-Heatly
Richards-Marleau-Murray
Morrow-Yzermam-Doan
(extra: Draper, Maltby)

Neidermayer-Foote
Jovonoski-Blake
Regher-Reddan
(Extra: Bowmester, Brewer)

Belfour
Turco
Raycroft


Team Quebec

Tanguay-Lemieux-Gagne
Lecavalier-Ribeiro-St-louis
Walker-Briere-Daze
Dupuis-Damphousse-Dumont
(extra: Robitaille, Daigle, Bergeron)

Aucoin-Brisebois
Desjardin-Bergeron
Boucher-Dandenault
(Extra: Girard, Gauthier)

Brodeur
Luongo
Theodore

This took me so long to do it's not even funny. Quebec has an ok team but the defence is pretty week but underrated. There netminders are fantastic which is what would really keep them in the game. I think Team Canada would win but not by much.

Kariya Sakic Iginla
Heatley Thornton Bertuzzi
Nash Richards Murray
Draper Madden Doan

Niedermayer Foote
Jovanovski Blake
Pronger Redden

Belfour
Joseph
Turco

Quebec will separate from Canada in the 20 years to come.

That's what they were saying 30 years ago :teach:

You can add Jonathan Girard, Eric Desjardins and maybe even Denis Gauthier to the team quebec defence.

>>>ok lets try it out.

Team Canada

Nash-Sakic-Iginla
Smyth-Thornton-Heatly
Richards-Marleau-Murray
Morrow-Yzermam-Doan
(extra: Draper, Maltby)

Neidermayer-Foote
Jovonoski-Blake
Regher-Reddan
(Extra: Bowmester, Brewer)

Belfour
Turco
Raycroft


Team Quebec

Tanguay-Lemieux-Gagne
Lecavalier-Ribeiro-St-louis
Walker-Briere-Robitaille
Turgeon-Damphousse-Dumont
(extra: Dupuis, Daigle)

Aucoin-Brisebois
Dandenault-Bergeron
Boucher-Quintal

Brodeur
Luongo
Theodore

This took me so long to do it's not even funny. Quebec has an ok team but the defence is pretty week but underrated. There netminders are fantastic which is what would really keep them in the game. I think Team Canada would win but not by much.<<<
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x-bob........

Maybe Quebec could talk Raymond Bourque out of retirement for this Series. :D

Cheers!~

monkey_00

x-bob........

Maybe Quebec could talk Raymond Bourque out of retirement for this Series. :D

Cheers!~

monkey_00[/QUOTE]


and Guy Lafleur, Jean Beliveau, Guy Carbonneau, Patrik Roy :shakehead

Goaltending no problem:
Brodeur, Théodore, Lungo, Giguére (our 4th could be 1st in lots of country)

Offense is pretty good:
Lemieux, Lecavalier, St-Louis, Gagné, Tanguay, Marleau, Brière, Ribeiro, Bouchard, Bergeron, Damphousse, Robitaille, etc..

Defense that's tougher:
Brisebois, Boucher, Desjardins, Bergeron, Gauthier, Dandenault, Bouillon, ..??..ouch!! let's say that Bourque comes of retirement and Aucoin is born in Gatineau instead :dunno:

I think Québec would be top 5 in the world. Maybe not the powerhouse of Canada and Russia but definately among USA, Sweden, etc.

For a final, well, I don't know. This would become the biggest rivalry ever. Heart and passion would make a difference, and it could go either side. Wow imagine the party on Ste-Catherine.

What about the jersey? I'd like something à la Nordique.

Who would you include on your Team Quebec and Team English Canada rosters?
Just curious but why would you call it Team ENGLISH Canada? Why did you not call team quebec Team FRENCH Canada?

If there is an english speaking quebeker, does he play for team quebec or Team ENGLISH Canada? And if a player is born in quebec but grew up in Ontario is he eligble to play for both or does he have to speak french to play on team quebec? Why would Lemieux be on team quebec, he's lived in Pittsburgh for over 20 years and only lived in quebec for 18. What the criteria is here.

Just curious but why would you call it Team ENGLISH Canada? Why did you not call team quebec Team FRENCH Canada?

If there is an english speaking quebeker, does he play for team quebec or Team ENGLISH Canada? And if a player is born in quebec but grew up in Ontario is he eligble to play for both or does he have to speak french to play on team quebec? Why would Lemieux be on team quebec, he's lived in Pittsburgh for over 20 years and only lived in quebec for 18. What the criteria is here.

It's because of people like you that evryting is screwed up.......who cares

Goaltending no problem:
Brodeur, Théodore, Lungo, Giguére (our 4th could be 1st in lots of country)

Offense is pretty good:
Lemieux, Lecavalier, St-Louis, Gagné, Tanguay, Marleau, Brière, Ribeiro, Bouchard, Bergeron, Damphousse, Robitaille, etc..

Defense that's tougher:
Brisebois, Boucher, Desjardins, Bergeron, Gauthier, Dandenault, Bouillon, ..??..ouch!! let's say that Bourque comes of retirement and Aucoin is born in Gatineau instead

I think Québec would be top 5 in the world. Maybe not the powerhouse of Canada and Russia but definately among USA, Sweden, etc.

For a final, well, I don't know. This would become the biggest rivalry ever. Heart and passion would make a difference, and it could go either side. Wow imagine the party on Ste-Catherine.

What about the jersey? I'd like something à la Nordique.
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Raskolnikov76.........

Great selection of players.........Marleau is from Saskatchewan.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

It's because of people like you that evryting is screwed up.......who cares
Really I thought it was because of people like monkey_00. It would have been easy for him to say Team Quebec and Team rest of Canada, but he didn't did he. He specifically said Team ENGLISH Canada. Why would the rest of Canada be labeled English and Team Quebec not labelled Team French Canada? Which because he worded his post that way brings up the questions I posed.

>>>Just curious but why would you call it Team ENGLISH Canada? Why did you not call team quebec Team FRENCH Canada?

If there is an english speaking quebeker, does he play for team quebec or Team ENGLISH Canada? And if a player is born in quebec but grew up in Ontario is he eligble to play for both or does he have to speak french to play on team quebec? Why would Lemieux be on team quebec, he's lived in Pittsburgh for over 20 years and only lived in quebec for 18. What the criteria is here.<<<
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kickabrat...........

I called the French team "Quebec" cause that's where the players on that team would be from..........and I called the other team from Canada; "TEAM ENGLISH CANADA" cause it would consist of players from the other provinces and territories of Canada...............what would you rather I call the English team instead?............TEAM ONTARIO-MANITOBA-SASKATCHEWAN-ALBERTA-BRITISH COLUMBIA-NOVA SCOTIA-NEWFOUNDLAND-PRINCE EDWARD ISALAND-NEW BRUNSWICK-AND THE TERRITORIES?...............I don't think so.

Don't stay up all night in bed worrying about it ok? :)

Cheers!~

monkey_00

Where's Aucoin from? I had no idea he was French. Bad assumption on my part.

>>>Really I thought it was because of people like monkey_00. It would have been easy for him to say Team Quebec and Team rest of Canada, but he didn't did he. He specifically said Team ENGLISH Canada. Why would the rest of Canada be labeled English and Team Quebec not labelled Team French Canada? Which because he worded his post that way brings up the questions I posed.<<<
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kickabrat............

Thanks.........I'm glad that you think monkeys are people too. :D

Cheers!~

monkey_00

............what would you rather I call the English team instead?............TEAM ONTARIO-MANITOBA-SASKATCHEWAN-ALBERTA-BRITISH COLUMBIA-NOVA SCOTIA-NEWFOUNDLAND-PRINCE EDWARD ISALAND-NEW BRUNSWICK-AND THE TERRITORIES?...............I don't think so.

Don't stay up all night in bed worrying about it ok? :)

Cheers!~

monkey_00[/font]
Team Canada, Team rest of Canada.
But why limit it to just team quebec. You could probably make good teams from just about every province or region. Why not ask for a Team Ontario, Team Maritime, Team BC, Team Prairie Provinces (Team Saskatchewan would probably eat everyones' lunch). All these these teams would be pretty good (except for maybe the maritime one) but much like Canada, individually they would not be great but together, look out. I was just curious why you singled out one segment based on language but not the other. I'm not losing sleep over it, just thought it was curious.

Wow, French defensemen really suck ;)

Wow, French defensemen really suck ;)But with Brodeur in nets you could put Alex Daigle on D.

>>>Team Canada, Team rest of Canada.
But why limit it to just team quebec. You could probably make good teams from just about every province or region. Why not ask for a Team Ontario, Team Maritime, Team BC, Team Prairie Provinces (Team Saskatchewan would probably eat everyones' lunch). All these these teams would be pretty good (except for maybe the maritime one) but much like Canada, individually they would not be great but together, look out. I was just curious why you singled out one segment based on language but not the other. I'm not losing sleep over it, just thought it was curious.<<<

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kickabrat.............

I asked for people's opinions on how a Series with Quebec VS English Canada would fair?................please forgive me but I still don't know what point you are trying to make over here........I asked a simple 2-part question.......I'm sorry that you're having such a tough time grasping what I was asking here.......Oh well.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

But with Brodeur in nets you could put Alex Daigle on D. Yeah, the Q has always been about greating goaltending and scoring.

Where's Aucoin from? I had no idea he was French. Bad assumption on my part.
He's from Ottawa, pretty sure he's bi-lingual, though I'm not sure which is his first language.

kickabrat.............I asked for people's opinions on how a Series with Quebec VS English Canada would fair?................please forgive me but I still don't know what point you are trying to make over here........I asked a simple 2-part question.......I'm sorry that you're having such a tough time grasping what I was asking here.......Oh well.Cheers!~monkey_00I know exactly WHAT you were asking. My question was simple. Why did you refer to the rest of Canada as English Canada but didn't refer to Quebec as Team French Canada? You could of used any number of descriptors. You could of used Team Quebec & Team Rest of Canada, Team outside of Quebec, etc. but you used Team Quebec vs Team English Canada. Coming up with a BS answer like team Ont, BC etc. doesn't cut it.

I know exactly WHAT you were asking. My question was simple. Why did you refer to the rest of Canada as English Canada but didn't refer to Quebec as Team French Canada? You could of used any number of descriptors. You could of used Team Quebec & Team Rest of Canada, Team outside of Quebec, etc. but you used Team Quebec vs Team English Canada. Coming up with a BS answer like team Ont, BC etc. doesn't cut it.

Boo-hoo...Who cares...Instead of making a fight add something to the thread instead....

IMO the quebec team would lose, simply because IMO the "English canadian" team would be too physical for "Team Quebec".

Boo-hoo...Who cares...Instead of making a fight add something to the thread instead....

IMO the quebec team would lose, simply because IMO the "English canadian" team would be too physical for "Team Quebec". Messrs. Laraque and Worrell may dispute that.

Messrs. Laraque and Worrell may dispute that.

Oh, I wasn't saying that there arn't some very very tough players from Quebec, but would those players make the team? I think that if Quebec wanted to compete they would have to, and not just go with the high flying offensive players like on the mock rosters I have seen so far.

Team Canada

Bertuzzi-Thornton-Heatley (oh ya!!!)
Richards-Sakic-Iginla
Smyth-Doan-Nash
Draper-Morrow-Murray
extra:Maltby, Ryder, Sullivan, Stillman (tough to knock off one)

Neidermayer- Pronger
Foote-Blake
Redden-Jovonanski
Extra: Bowmester, Brewer, Regehr (tough to knock off one)

Belfour
Turco
Raycroft


Team Quebec

Tanguay-Lemieux-Gagne
Lecavalier-Marleau-St.Louis
Walker-Briere-Lapointe
Bergeron-Ribeiro-Dumont
extra: Robitaille, Daigle, Damphousse

Aucoin-Brisebois
Desjardins-Bergeron
Boucher-Dandenault
Extra: Girard, Gauthier

Brodeur
Luongo
Theodore

>>>I know exactly WHAT you were asking. My question was simple. Why did you refer to the rest of Canada as English Canada but didn't refer to Quebec as Team French Canada? You could of used any number of descriptors. You could of used Team Quebec & Team Rest of Canada, Team outside of Quebec, etc. but you used Team Quebec vs Team English Canada. Coming up with a BS answer like team Ont, BC etc. doesn't cut it.<<<

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kickabrat...............

.............Grow up...............please. :D

Cheers!~

monkey_00

Oh, I wasn't saying that there arn't some very very tough players from Quebec, but would those players make the team? I think that if Quebec wanted to compete they would have to, and not just go with the high flying offensive players like on the mock rosters I have seen so far.
I know. What the heck. Provincial teams could be interesting though. I assume Ontario has the highest representation, but that would be quite a tournament.

>>>I know. What the heck. Provincial teams could be interesting though. I assume Ontario has the highest representation, but that would be quite a tournament.<<<
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mcphee........

This also sounds like a great idea but one thing to keep in mind with an idea like this one is that you would have to combine Manitoba with Saskatchewan on one team cause Manitoba wouldn't have enough players of their own to form a team made up of NHLers.......unless they were to fill up the rest of their roster with players from the AHL........then the next thing we'd have to figure out is what to do with the 4-maritime provinces and 3-territories.......I guess we could combine the players from all 7-regions onto one team but I still don't think there would be enough to form one team of NHLers that these guys can call their own.........

Provinces like B.C., Alberta, Ontario and Quebec would be able to ice for themselves a team of their own with no problems whatsoever.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

I think that if Quebec wanted to compete they would have to, and not just go with the high flying offensive players like on the mock rosters I have seen so far.

They could have a grind line or something like that.. guys like Marty Lapointe.. i'm sure that'd help in the physical department. Also, even guys like Lecavalier can hit and play physical with anyone.

I think the biggest problem (and the most obvious one) would be defense. We need to develop a few better dmen before we seperate :D

but with the goalies we'd have, i think we could be top 5 for sure.. even surprise in some tournaments.

There is already a Team Quebec in the Memorial Cup championship for Canadian junior hockey. The QMJHL champ plays the OHL and WHL champs and usually loses because the freewheeling passing style typical in Quebec is shut down by the two-way play of the OHL and the world's best defensemen out of the WHL.

Too many Lemieux and Lecavalier types of player, few defensemen (Patrice Brisebois does not count) and a penalty kill bordering on the laughable. Goaltenders are king because they make the difference between winning and losing most nights of 6-4 hockey games. A 2-1 game is uncommon.

Team Quebec probably would have lost against defensively-skilled Germany in this tourney, though when on a goal-scoring streak and with exceptional gaoltending, they may upset in a few games over the years.

My months in Montreal left the following impression:
les canadiens will always be.
It's more important than fleur de lys.

(Hey, that rhymes.)

Where's Aucoin from? I had no idea he was French. Bad assumption on my part.

He was born in Ottawa and I think he just has a french last name.

There is already a Team Quebec in the Memorial Cup championship for Canadian junior hockey. The QMJHL champ plays the OHL and WHL champs and usually loses because the freewheeling passing style typical in Quebec is shut down by the two-way play of the OHL and the world's best defensemen out of the WHL.

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Gatineau ?

Gatineau ?
Exactly. The Gatineau Olympiques won the QMJHL but lost the Memorial Cup to the Kelowna Rockets of the westernmost province of B.C.

In the 85 year history of the Memorial Cup only seven teams from Quebec have won the championship series between league champions, and four of those were from Montreal fifty years ago!

In contrast, my hometown Kamloops Blazers from B.C. won it all three times. :)

Scoring 50 or even 100 goals in the Q means absolutely squat once the players come face to face with Canadian hockey players from elsewhere. That's partially why Gretzky's Ontario junior records are more meaningful than Lemieux's, though the true test of skill against defense lies in the WHL, as any NHL G.M. knows full well.

A star for Rimouski Oceanic may not shine so brightly in other leagues.

Sidney Crosby fans line up at the door.

He was born in Ottawa and I think he just has a french last name.

Yea, I also know that he played Jr. A hockey in the CJHL, which is an Ottawa/Eastern Ontario league. Then he went off to Boston University (I imagine on a scholarship because Jr A is the way to go to get an NCAA scholarship)

So I think, he should be on team "Canada"

Quebec will separate from Canada in the 20 years to come.

With all due respect, and without trying to start a seperatism debate on this board, I must request that you stop speculating about an issue which I suspect you actually know nothing about. As a Canadian Studies student who has spent the majority of his time working on issues in federalism, I suggest that this is a topic far deeper than an unsubstantiated, possible entirley uneducated, one line claim.

... I must request that you stop speculating about an issue which I suspect you actually know nothing about. As a Canadian Studies student who has spent the majority of his time working on issues in federalism, I suggest that this is a topic far deeper than an unsubstantiated, possible entirley uneducated, one line claim.
He is entitled to his opinion, as everyone is.

Now, what is yours on the hockey question at hand.

Is it an idle issue because it'll never happen? Well, then, it's an interesting thought experiment.

Would a Team Quebec be dominant? How do you think a tourney of regional Canadian all-stars would go? How would Quebec stack up against an Ontario team or a Western team?

Speculate to your heart's content. We have.

There is already a Team Quebec in the Memorial Cup championship for Canadian junior hockey. The QMJHL champ plays the OHL and WHL champs and usually loses because the freewheeling passing style typical in Quebec is shut down by the two-way play of the OHL and the world's best defensemen out of the WHL.


You're right that the Q team rarely wins the Memorial Cup, but that doesn't mean they lose it either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Q is the only league to make the finals the past two years. Last year the dub champs won (but the Q champs came in front of the OHL champs) and two years ago the OHL champs won (but the Q champs came in front of the WHL champs). I don't have the results from the past 10 years in front of me, but it seems to me that in the past decade or so, the Q has been in the finals more than either of the other leagues. The Q Champions rarely win it all, but they also rarely finish last, at least recently, so I don't know how you can say they usually lose to the OHL AND WHL champs--they lose to one OR the other, but they usually don't lose to both in the same year.

You're right that the Q team rarely wins the Memorial Cup, but that doesn't mean they lose it either.
:rolly:

The QMJHL champs have won twice in the last thirty years and have made it to the final game four times in the last ten years, which isn't so remarkable when you consider they have a 50/50 chance to be there (the host team aside).

But I'll grant you that the last couple of years have been the closest for them.

In the history of the Memorial Cup, the host team usually finishes last. The Q team usually finishes second last.

Anyways, the stats were meant to support the contention that the types of players most often developed in Quebec are insufficient on their own to excel as a team because of a typical lack of defensive development among both defensemen and forwards (unlike the WHL which has a distinctively different character). Of course, there are exceptions, but not enough to assemble an all-star team capable of contending against teams representing elsewhere.

:lol:
LOL ...what a thread. Do you really need to discuss this or is it a "lets flex our collective muscle" thread? :lol

Both of those teams would be favourites in the world cup...easily. I am glad they can only ice one.

Why is it that Quebec always cries about not getting it their way? Why is it that the west coast always gets forgotten about? Why is Quebec so determined to separate? Why is this topic starter signaling out one province? Why can’t we just be happy to be united as one? Why did the PM of Quebec say that there were too many Canadian flags at the Olympics, and not enough Quebec flags? Why is it illegal to post English signs in Quebec? Why do I get so frustrated over these things?

By the way I’m from Ontario, but more importantly I’m from Canada!!!!

I'm from Montreal, my dad's family and my mom's family are from Quebec, but I hate the idea of Quebec as an independant Country and I'm one of the proudest Canadian in here !! I hate quebecers who are centered on theirselves... it's sad that some quebecers are giving us a bad image over the country... there are plenty of quebecers proud of being Canadian, like me !

Every kid from Quebec who is a true hockey fan has wondered, at least once, what would happen to our hockey club, in internation play, if our province would be separate from Canada. That's why this thread has been create... it's not more difficult than that... anyway

I would assume that Team Quebec would definitly lack some good offensive d-man. But as for our forwards, i think they would be good enough to compete with country like Finland, USA and Slovakia, not Russia and Sweeden tough.

I don't remeber who said we wouldn't be able to deal with Germany's defense play but that's pure crap... come on Lecavalier, Lemieux, Gagne, St-Louis... hummm i think that's way too much for Germany's defence... anyway that's your tought and you're free to express it, i'm just giving you my side of the medal.

Between the pipes we would be awesome, the best country (hum hum) out there without a doubt. This would keep us on the top 5 contenders list for sure.

Overall, I think we would finish somewhere between 1st and 5th. Why do I think we could be winning it all ? Well every team with strong goaltending should be consider serious contender... look at Calgary this year, Anaheim last year, etc.. etc... etc... Goaltending is the most important part of a team when it comes to close game. I'm not saying we would be favorite, far from that, i'm only saying we would have chances of winning the world cup... our defense looks weak but i think it would be good defensivly but offensivly awful. + Quebecers are known to be hard workers who are generally dedicated to their team's system...

A serie between Quebec and Canada (the rest of it, to make sure everyone understands) ? It would be close but Canada would win because they could rely on a very very strong D-unit and they would still be in good position, not as good as Quebec but still, between the pipes with Turco... Raycroft is also a pretty decent goaltender... anyway their offense is a little better than Q'S one...

I hope we'll never see such a rivalty in hockey or anywhere else... CANADA FOR LIFE ! BRING THE CUP TO HIS NATIVE LAND !

:rolly:

The QMJHL champs have won twice in the last thirty years and have made it to the final game four times in the last ten years, which isn't so remarkable when you consider they have a 50/50 chance to be there (the host team aside).

Colour me surprised. I know Gatineau has been in the finals the past two years, but I thought Halifax made the finals a few years ago (with Ramzi Abid and Brandon Reid), as well as Rimouski (with Richards, when Keefe said Richards would never do anything in the NHL). I also thought Val D'or, with Gamache and Reid, had a good run but came up short; I thought Hull with Theodore also had a nice run; as well, I thought Granby did well one year (I think it was Granby--it was mid '90s and they were making a big deal of the Q not winning since Hawerchuk's Cornwall team won it). I was figuring I missed a couple teams but I guess I overrated instead.


Anyways, the stats were meant to support the contention that the types of players most often developed in Quebec are insufficient on their own to excel as a team because of a typical lack of defensive development among both defensemen and forwards (unlike the WHL which has a distinctively different character). Of course, there are exceptions, but not enough to assemble an all-star team capable of contending against teams representing elsewhere.

I can agree with that. Though, just to argue semantics, I think they are capable of "contending against teams representing elsewhere," but it all depends on how you use the term "contend"--I'm just a little bit more liberal in its use than you are. I see the Leafs, for instance, as perennial contenders, though they never win.

Only because of their goaltending,Quebec would win against any other team.

Man when Quebec does separate (it will happen eventually so the English might as well get used to it) they will have one great International Hockey team....

As others have pointed out, there defense is suspect but what great forwards and the best goalies in the World!!

Team Quebec!!! Wow, that has a nice ring to it!!

Now we just need to get a Team Alberta and were laughing!! :handclap:

People have put Marleau on the "Quebec" team. He's from Saskatchewan is he not?

Man when Quebec does separate (it will happen eventually so the English might as well get used to it) they will have one great International Hockey team....

As others have pointed out, there defense is suspect but what great forwards and the best goalies in the World!!

Team Quebec!!! Wow, that has a nice ring to it!!

Now we just need to get a Team Alberta and were laughing!! :handclap:
What makes you think that Quebec will separate?

People have put Marleau on the "Quebec" team. He's from Saskatchewan is he not?

You mean the Patrick Marleau from Speedy Creek? Or some other guy named Marleau?

Team Saskatchewan would beat you all! :p:

i'm from the Ottawa region (on the Québec side), nowhere in Québec is it more liberal than here... but i am all for the seperation of Québec.

Someone wrote that "we are giving the rest of canada a bad image of Québec" and that "we are self centered". Excuse me but you live right in the middle of Québec yet you do not even seem to understand what the seperation debate is about. It has nothing to do with hating canada, and it has nothing to do with "looking bad" or giving a bad image. It's a matter of opinion, and everyone's entitled to it :)

i do not HATE canada, in fact i love canada. I do think it's one of the best countries in the world to live in. I do not have ANY attachment to it though.. i do not feel patriotic in any way and do not feel like it's "my" country. It's just how it is.

Enough with the politics......

Someone posted that the Q never wins in Mem cup championships. Although true that not alot of teams have won since the tournament started, since the mid 90's, the Q teams are as competitive as any team in there. To say they would not stand a chance is wrong imo. Hull and Granby won in the 90's.. then Rimouski won. Hull (Gatineau) made it to the finals the last 2 years. The Q is competitive. It is true though that out of the 3 leagues, the style of play in the Q is very different from the other 2. It is more wide open, and penalties are called more on the hooking and grabbing. This makes for exciting hockey.

Here would be my lineup right now: (hope i'm not forgetting anyone)

Goalies:

Brodeur, Luongo, Theodore (reserve: Denis, Giguère)

Forwards:

St-Louis-Lemieux-Lecavalier
Gagné-Brière-Dazé
Dumont-P. Bergeron-Damphousse
Gélinas-M.Lapointe-P. Dupuis

(reserves: Robitaille-E. Bélanger-Turgeon, P.M. Bouchard-Vermette)

D-men:

Gauthier, Desjardins
Brisebois, P. Boucher,
Dandenault, J. Bouchard

(reserves: Y. Tremblay, M-A. Bergeron, Quintal)

a decent lineup.. with guys who can also play even if it's gritty (Lecavalier, Bergeron, Lapointe, Gauthier, etc..)

my 2 cents.

Exactly. The Gatineau Olympiques won the QMJHL but lost the Memorial Cup to the Kelowna Rockets of the westernmost province of B.C.

In the 85 year history of the Memorial Cup only seven teams from Quebec have won the championship series between league champions, and four of those were from Montreal fifty years ago!

In contrast, my hometown Kamloops Blazers from B.C. won it all three times. :)

Scoring 50 or even 100 goals in the Q means absolutely squat once the players come face to face with Canadian hockey players from elsewhere. That's partially why Gretzky's Ontario junior records are more meaningful than Lemieux's, though the true test of skill against defense lies in the WHL, as any NHL G.M. knows full well.

A star for Rimouski Oceanic may not shine so brightly in other leagues.

Sidney Crosby fans line up at the door.





Because Richards and Lecavalier have sucked sooooo bad.... :shakehead ....times are changing, so is the Q.

Team PEI......Brad Richards.....we seem to be lacking a little goaltending. Maybe in a few years Atlantic Canada can seperate too :shakehead Seperation talk should go on Political Forums should it not? This was a pretty good thread before the Language police showed up. :)

Why is it that Quebec always cries about not getting it their way? Why is it that the west coast always gets forgotten about? Why is Quebec so determined to separate? Why is this topic starter signaling out one province? Why can’t we just be happy to be united as one? Why did the PM of Quebec say that there were too many Canadian flags at the Olympics, and not enough Quebec flags? Why is it illegal to post English signs in Quebec? Why do I get so frustrated over these things? By the way I’m from Ontario, but more importantly I’m from Canada!!!! People have put Marleau on the "Quebec" team. He's from Saskatchewan is he not? (yes he is.)
Where's Aucoin from? I had no idea he was French. Bad assumption on my part. he was born in Ottawa.

And it is because I knew questions like the above were bound to be asked was why I originally queried the phrasing of the question put forth by Monkey_0. Because he labelled the team outside of Quebec, Team "English" Canada, it opened up a whole can of worms (intentionally or not). Are we talking about french named vs english named players? Quebec born vs non-quebec born? Played in the QMHL or outside the QMHL? Lived in quebec at least 1 year? Yet when I ask for clarification from Monkey_0 he acts all defensive tells me to chill and grow up and does not answer the question. Which was:

If there is an english speaking quebeker, does he play for team quebec or Team ENGLISH Canada? And if a player is born in quebec but grew up in Ontario is he eligble to play for both or does he have to speak french to play on team quebec? Why would Lemieux be on team quebec, he's lived in Pittsburgh for over 20 years and only lived in quebec for 18. What the criteria is here.I have as yet not gotten an answer to this question from Monkey_0. I personally feel quite offended by the way he has phrased his question, but that could be just me and because of my background being born an "allophone" in quebec. If he had said team of Quebec born versus non-quebec born, I would have not even of brought up the issue, it was the segration of Team Canada into "English" and Quebec that got me upset and begged for clarification which still has not been given.

By the way, if it is of any interest to anyone, including Blake, Pronger, and Belfour, this was the breakdown of where players were born who were selected to Team Canada: ON:7; QC 7: AB 5: BC 4: SK 4: PEI 1: MB 1.

We used to have Norris winners like Raymond Bourque, Denis Potvin, Jacques Laperriere, Doug Harvey and Pierre Pilote, but it's true that the LHJMQ isn't producing the type of defensman the teams want.... tall and big defensmans.

Still, Canada will lack deaply our goaltenders..... Belfour is about done, and there is only Turco's who is left.

Even with their defensmen, I think a team-quebec would be able to fight with the big teams: i.e. being far better than Slovakia and Germany and being able to beat Finland, Sweden, etc.... anyway, the population in Quebec is the same as in Finland!

I would be interesting to form a Canada Cup with each provinces having their team.... maritimes could for one team, with Richards, Ryder and Crosby all playing with the same team...

[QUOTE=Kickabrat](yes he is.)
he was born in Ottawa.[/color]


I have as yet not gotten an answer to this question from Monkey_0. I personally feel quite offended by the way he has phrased his question, but that could be just me and because of my background being born an "allophone" in quebec. If he had said team of Quebec born versus non-quebec born, I would have not even of brought up the issue, it was the segration of Team Canada into "English" and Quebec that got me upset and begged for clarification which still has not been given.





It's a hockey and geographical question....somehow I think you're getting upset for the wrong reasons. He probably didn't answer because it seems like a pretty irrelevant question in regards to hockey. Try posting this on the political board and see if anyone else gets upset. Anyways...seems no one else needs clarification.

English Canadian is a term used commonly by people who refer to provinces outside of Quebec. And French Canadian is used to refer to the people of Quebec.

Kickabrat: You're mistaking English Canada and French Canadian with English-speaking Canadian (or Anglophone) and French-speaking Canadian (or Francophone).

See here how when the writer wants to separate the people using language, he writes The relationship between English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians is one of the most important elements of Canadian politics. (http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=J1ARTJ0003025) Where as when a writer wants to refer to them by province, they do so like the title of this article Rural Society, English Canada (http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0007007), where he talks about the provinces by region "ACADIAN communities in the Atlantic region are 150 years older than settlements in Alberta; landholding divisions in Lower Canada (see SEIGNEURIAL SYSTEM) are distinct from the "quarter sections" of the prairies."

Is this a satisfactory answer?

English Canadian is a term used commonly by people who refer to provinces outside of Quebec. And French Canadian is used to refer to the people of Quebec.

Kickabrat: You're mistaking English Canada and French Canadian with English-speaking Canadian (or Anglophone) and French-speaking Canadian (or Francophone).

See here how when the writer wants to separate the people using language, he writes The relationship between English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians is one of the most important elements of Canadian politics. (http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=J1ARTJ0003025) Where as when a writer wants to refer to them by province, they do so like the title of this article Rural Society, English Canada (http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0007007), where he talks about the provinces by region "ACADIAN communities in the Atlantic region are 150 years older than settlements in Alberta; landholding divisions in Lower Canada (see SEIGNEURIAL SYSTEM) are distinct from the "quarter sections" of the prairies."

Is this a satisfactory answer?




Nicely done :)

Nicely done :)


Thanks...There's a reason why pancakes are on rabbits.

I would be interesting to form a Canada Cup with each provinces having their team.... maritimes could for one team, with Richards, Ryder and Crosby all playing with the same team...

Yep, it could be interresting to do kind of Canada Cup. I would see it geographicly as a tournament like the Memorial Cup. The only change I would see would be a team for Atlantic Canada.

So, there would be 4 teams:

Atlantic Canada
Québec
Ontario
West Canada

Kickabrat: You're mistaking English Canada and French Canadian with English-speaking Canadian (or Anglophone) and French-speaking Canadian (or Francophone). See here how when the writer wants to separate the people using language, he writes The relationship between English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians is one of the most important elements of Canadian politics.</FONT></FONT></FONT> (http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=J1ARTJ0003025) Where as when a writer wants to refer to them by province, they do so like the title of this article Rural Society, English Canada</FONT></FONT></FONT> (http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0007007), where he talks about the provinces by region "ACADIAN communities in the Atlantic region are 150 years older than settlements in Alberta; landholding divisions in Lower Canada (see SEIGNEURIAL SYSTEM) are distinct from the "quarter sections" of the prairies."

Is this a satisfactory answer?Well thank you for backing up my position and finding the right quote for me. As the you can see, I am not the one mistaken here since it was Monkey_0 who came up with Team Quebec and Team English Canada when according to your reference source he should have said Team Quebec and Team Outside of Quebec (or Rest of Canada) or he could have said Team French vs Team English. Thanks.


Anyways...seems no one else needs clarification.Well if you had bothered to read the previous posts instead of jumping in with both feet and eyes wide shut, (although from a bobby clarke fan who could expect more), you would have seen that there are a few who are confused as to who would go on what team.

For instance: Eric Chouinard= Que or USA? Jiri Fischer=Que or Check? Justin Papineau=Que or English Canada? Brad Richards= English Canada or Que? Eric Beaudoin=Que or English Canada? Patrick Marleau Que or English Canada? Steve Gainey=Que or English Canada? Marc Savard =Que or Engish Canada? Ethan Moreau Que or English Canada? Dan Cloutier=Que or English Canada? Sebastien Bordeleau= Que or English Canada? Manny Fernandez=Que or English Canada? Craid Rivet Que or English Canada? Matthew Barnaby Que or English Canada? Adrian Aucoin=Que or English Canada? All the above and probably more could go on either team depending on what criteria you use.

Do I need to go on or is the point getting through?

are you confused as to how player eligibility is established for international competitions? just see Québec as if it was a different country.. players born in Québec are eligible to play for them. It doesn't seem very complicated to me.

are you confused as to how player eligibility is established for international competitions? just see Québec as if it was a different country.. players born in Québec are eligible to play for them. It doesn't seem very complicated to me.
Fine by me. Why wasn't that established to begin with. Place of birth determines where you play regardless of what language you speak or don't speak. So what you are saying is that everyone should assume this is what Monkey_0 meant and that his use of terminology by calling the rest of Canada "English" Canada was just for expediency. Was that so hard for Monkey_0 to point out instead of skirting the issue for two days?

And by how international eligibility is established I think it is you that is confused not I. I guess you are not referring to cases such as Peter Nedved born in Czech but played internationally for Canada and therefore is not eligble for Team Rest of Canada according to your interpretation of what Monkey_0 meant. So just so we're clear, players like Steve Gainey, born in Montreal spent at most 10 years of their lives in Quebec and played junior outside the Q, are eligle only for Team Quebec and players like Mathew Barnaby, born in Ottawa but played Junior in the Q are not.

Well thank you for backing up my position and finding the right quote for me. As the you can see, I am not the one mistaken here since it was Monkey_0 who came up with Team Quebec and Team English Canada when according to your reference source he should have said Team Quebec and Team Outside of Quebec (or Rest of Canada) or he could have said Team French vs Team English. Thanks.


Well if you had bothered to read the previous posts instead of jumping in with both feet and eyes wide shut, (although from a bobby clarke fan who could expect more), you would have seen that there are a few who are confused as to who would go on what team.

For instance: Eric Chouinard= Que or USA? Jiri Fischer=Que or Check? Justin Papineau=Que or English Canada? Brad Richards= English Canada or Que? Eric Beaudoin=Que or English Canada? Patrick Marleau Que or English Canada? Steve Gainey=Que or English Canada? Marc Savard =Que or Engish Canada? Ethan Moreau Que or English Canada? Dan Cloutier=Que or English Canada? Sebastien Bordeleau= Que or English Canada? Manny Fernandez=Que or English Canada? Craid Rivet Que or English Canada? Matthew Barnaby Que or English Canada? Adrian Aucoin=Que or English Canada? All the above and probably more could go on either team depending on what criteria you use.

Do I need to go on or is the point getting through?


I think the only one confused here is you. Everyone understood the criteria, it's just some people are assuming players with French names are from Quebec and others are trying to hijack the thread with this stupid seperatism talk.

I think the only one confused here is you. Everyone understood the criteria, it's just some people are assuming players with French names are from Quebec and others are trying to hijack the thread with this stupid seperatism talk.
Obviously I am not the only one who did not undersdtand the criteria. The ONLY reason people with french names were included in team Quebec was because a reference was made to Team ENGLISH Canada. If the criteria was stated as players born in Quebec vs players born outside Quebec there would have been no confusion. You are assuming that just because you interpreted the criteria a certain way that everyone else got it the same way as you, which from several posts is not the case.

Obviously I am not the only one who did not undersdtand the criteria. The ONLY reason people with french names were included in team Quebec was because a reference was made to Team ENGLISH Canada. If the criteria was stated as players born in Quebec vs players born outside Quebec there would have been no confusion. You are assuming that just because you interpreted the criteria a certain way that everyone else got it the same way as you, which from several posts is not the case.


Several of your posts you mean. For some reason you seem to be hung up on this French/English thing and need to make a big deal about it.

The quote that you thought backed you up actually didnt and he was trying to explain to you why the original poster named the thread this way. You, on the other hand, had some point you felt you needed to prove so you drag it out acting like you couldnt figure out this criteria so that you could get Monkey to say something that you wanted.

edit to fix run on sentence..oops

Several of your posts you mean. For some reason you seem to be hung up on this French/English thing and need to make a big deal about it.

The quote that you thought backed you up actually didnt and he was trying to explain to you why the original poster named the thread this way. You, on the other hand, had some point you felt you needed to prove so you drag it out acting like you couldnt figure out this criteria so that you could get Monkey to say something that you wanted.So according to you, you were smart enough to figure out that someone born in Germany but moved to Quebec as an infant, lived in Quebec and played their junior hockey in Quebec, would not be eligible for Team Quebec. I bow to your obvious superior intellect (sarcasm doesn't translate well in posts so I'll just note this is sarcasm, but with your superior intellect I'm sure you already figured that out) (more sarcasm just in case you didn't).

My point about the Team English reference was that it introduced ambiguity to the question that could have been resolved simply and quickly by saying birth place was the criteria. The fact thay Monkey_0 repeatedly refused to clarify the situation just compounded the inference that he was implying something else.

As for only my posts, if you had bothered to read them all you would have seen my reference to other equally confused people.

Team Ontario:


Rick Nash Joe Thornton Todd Bertuzzi
Marc Savard Jason Arnott Owen Nolan
Gary Roberts Jason Spezza Steve Sullivan
Cory Stillman Jason Allison Jeff O'neil
Kris draper Eric Lindros Scott Walker

Chris Pronger Rob Blake
Bryan McCabe Ed Jovonovsky
Adrian Aucoin Adam Foote
Dan Boyle Nick Boynton

Marty Turco
Andrew Raycroft
Kevin Weekes

English Canadian is a term used commonly by people who refer to provinces outside of Quebec.

"English Canadian" is a term commonly used in error by people who don't know, for example, that there are over a half million French-speaking Canadians in the province of Ontario.

Canada West

P.Kariya/J.Sakic/J.Iginla
R.Symth/S.Yzerman/B.Isbister
L.Langkow/P.Marleau/S.Doan
J.Friesen/B.Morrison/M. Recchi

Spares:R.Niedermayer, M.Comrie, R. Whitney, G.Brule

S.Niedermayer/W.Redden
S.Hannan/J.Bouwmeester
E.Brewer/R.Regehr(Born in Brazil but since he plays for calgary we'll take him :D )
D.Hamihuis/B.Stuart

Spares: K.Mclaren, M.Rathje

E.Belfour
A. Auld

*If ya can find any better goaltenders from the west plz tell me! :shakehead
*Canada West has abundance of LW's and very few natural RW's

If ya don't like it flame away

you forgot Heatley

you forgot Heatley

Oooooh...thnx! how could I forget...errr native of calgary?

Canada West

P.Kariya/J.Sakic/J.Iginla
R.Symth/S.Yzerman/D.Heatley
L.Langkow/P.Marleau/S.Doan
J.Friesen/B.Morrison/M. Recchi

Spares:B. Isbister, M.Comrie, R. Whitney, G.Brule

S.Niedermayer/W.Redden
S.Hannan/J.Bouwmeester
E.Brewer/R.Regehr(Born in Brazil but since he plays for calgary we'll take him )
D.Hamihuis/B.Stuart

Spares: K.Mclaren, M.Rathje

E.Belfour
A. Auld

I called the French team "Quebec" cause that's where the players on that team would be from..........and I called the other team from Canada; "TEAM ENGLISH CANADA" cause it would consist of players from the other provinces and territories of Canada...............what would you rather I call the English team instead?............TEAM ONTARIO-MANITOBA-SASKATCHEWAN-ALBERTA-BRITISH COLUMBIA-NOVA SCOTIA-NEWFOUNDLAND-PRINCE EDWARD ISALAND-NEW BRUNSWICK-AND THE TERRITORIES?...............I don't think so.


I think the whole point is that you dimiss the millions of francophone canadians living (and born) outside of Quebec as if we weren't even Real People. There's a million of us in Ontario alone, and some of us are darn good hockey players. Does that mean we can't play on Team Canada?

Exactly., eightyseven. :handclap:

English Canadian is a term used commonly by people who refer to provinces outside of Quebec. And French Canadian is used to refer to the people of Quebec.

As someone else said, whether it's commonly used or not, it's wrong. Since when is "Saskatchewan" or "Nunavut" English? I'm from Saskatchewan, and sure, English was my first language, but that doesn't make me "English", it makes me a speaker of the English language. But I can probably name ten different languages spoken in that province alone. "English Canada" makes it sound like Quebec won independence from England, and the rest of the provinces didn't. Would it be right to call Quebec "French Canada"?

I'm beginning to feel sorry I ever brought this up. I said this would open up a can of worms and I guess I had the can opener on this one. The original intent of my post was to get clarification of the criteria for picking players on a team because I felt the way the question was worded was ambiguous and open to different interpretations (not to mention offensive but I'd have let that pass). It is not like international teams where you can use birth place or citizenship of players. Who keeps track of what province a player maintains "citizenship" in? Where does a player born in Ontario but raised in Quebec play? Then it degenerated into an english / french thing because the original thread starter dodged the question and by his replies imsinuating that maybe he did in fact mean something more by the team "English" reference. This could have all been avoided had the thread starter just answered my initial query with ...province born determines where you play, period. We could then have all moved on. So now that we have established that it is place of birth that determines the team a player plays on, can we now move on.

BTW Brett Hull is available to play for Team Ontario. Apparently he has some free time now.

Exactly., eightyseven. :handclap:



As someone else said, whether it's commonly used or not, it's wrong. Since when is "Saskatchewan" or "Nunavut" English? I'm from Saskatchewan, and sure, English was my first language, but that doesn't make me "English", it makes me a speaker of the English language. But I can probably name ten different languages spoken in that province alone. "English Canada" makes it sound like Quebec won independence from England, and the rest of the provinces didn't. Would it be right to call Quebec "French Canada"?

I dont want to goes deep into the subject but Quebec have historically been commonly named French Canada or Canada Français . And this was in part keep like it only to help remember French people they were only a part of Canada (and back then a "2nd rank people") and not really a community by his own...

I'm beginning to feel sorry I ever brought this up.

This thread shouldn't even exist. I thought we were all one country.

We are, but we are also very reigonal here so things like this will come up. I am Canadian but that does not mean I cant see there are regional disparities. Well with that topics like this will arise, the would "our team" be better than the "rest of them" and other issues meant for INTEREST. I know a lot of people are more proud when an NHLer is from their home town and even province. It is not like this is the first time a post like this has been done either so some of you guys gotta get your thong panties out of a bunch. I remember a post about "Team Western Canada" on the Oilers board. I have seen a team Ontario thread before.

Its just for interest, if it does not interest you, than post in another thread or do not bother reading this one.

In fact if anybody remembers the 94 lock out the NHLPA held a mini-tourny (one night of short games, non-contact) with a team USA, Western Canada, Ontario, and Quebec.

In case you are interested
Ontario won over Quebec in the final and Western Canada beat the US in the 3rd place game.
(the US sure came along way in two years beating all three of those teams that they lost to when combined---damn the tourny gave them an early lead in chemistry :) )

:lol:
LOL ...what a thread. Do you really need to discuss this or is it a "lets flex our collective muscle" thread? :lol


Yes, yes it is. :shakehead do you have to make comments like this in every Canada thread? From the "Slovakia worried about playign Canada thread":

Of course they are favourites but there is no need for this silly thread where every canadian comes to flex their muscles saying "Of course they are scared hahaha!"

In that case the thread was talking about what the article said. Some people said, "well of course they are worried" alluding to the fact that the articled did not offer any insightful information as Canada is one of the most dominant hockey powers and has looked pretty good so far. Frankly I think canada should be scared of the Slovaks too, they might be really hungry and have talent. doesnt lessen the fact that the Slovaks have to be worried about facing Canada

In this case it is a thread meant to be interesting. Canada has the most depth of any country, so that is gonna be discussed. Yeah its meaningless (almost, it helps in case of injuries) when you can only have 25 and not 80 guys on a team, but it is meant for INTEREST. Why do people make a big deal out of nothing.

Im sure all the Finns on the "Sauna World Championships" forums all talk about the depth Finland has and about how the Turks should be scared to face them :D

I tried to do a team atlantic for fun. Ouch, the better goalie I found is
Rolly Melançon. :eek:

Overall, atlantic provinces really lack depht. You got an ok team offensively, with a real gritty 4h line. Defense is ok.

Ryder-Crosby-Richard
Glen Murray-J.king-Cleary
Langdon-Ott-Druken
Dwyer-Morgan-Boulton

Defense

Carney-MacInnis
White-Sweeney
B. Brown-R. Jones

Rolly Mellançon
Chris Verge
Cédric Desjardins

How about future NHLer Ryan Mior from St. John's. Should be a 1st rounder. Or 04 draftees Dan LaCosta/Jason Churchill.

Hiya Gang.......Just a couple of points I wanted to make here........

First.....this is a highly entertaining thread.......thanks for the great posts........secondly I think a team made up solely of Quebecers would do alot better than what most here seem to think they would do.......they have the fire power and more importantly the HOT Goalies.........don't under-estimate a team from Quebec........

I'm surprised that no one has posted yet a team for Saskatchewan......there's some pretty great players from there as well......I would also combine the players from Manitoba with Saskatchewan cause I don't think there's enough players in the NHL from Manitoba to ice for themselves 1-hockey team....you would have to combine them with the players from their next door neighbours in Saskatchewan.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

Actually SOS your wrong......we are not remotely one country......we are a balkanized country.......I feel no attachment to Eastern Canada in the least....but I love Alberta as my home and country......and to a larger extension I love the West.......

And ask Millions of Quebecers if they feel this is 'one' country.......and us Albertans the way the East has used us for generations........sorry.......this country will eventually split and that will only be a good day for us Albertans......and I'm sure many wonderful Quebecors feel the same way........

And Kickabrat.......it was a great subject to bring up.......Many federalists simply do not want to deal with the inevitable........Alberta and Quebec amongst others have a great disdian for the entity of Canada......perhaps not a majority yet.....but give the Liberals a couple of more terms, and this country is over.....and thankfully so!!

Anyways, Team Quebec would be one of the elites of the Hockey World.....no doubt about it.......just as good as Team Canada or whatever is left of us to face off against them!!

Thanks

Boo-hoo...Who cares...Instead of making a fight add something to the thread instead....

===================

Hemsky83Schremp44........

Thanks.........heh heh heh :lol: ........My sentiments exactly.........Now that kickabrat has FINALLY figured out what this thread here is all about (Better late than never) maybe just maybe he can add something valuabe to the thread.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

How about future NHLer Ryan Mior from St. John's. Should be a 1st rounder. Or 04 draftees Dan LaCosta/Jason Churchill.

Thanks, I had a hard time finding goalies prospect. ;)

Now that kickabrat has FINALLY figured out what this thread here is all about (Better late than never) maybe just maybe he can add something valuabe to the thread. monkey_00
NO THANKS TO YOU. I still have not seen a single post from you that says flat out "province of birth" is the criteria to be used (assuming that's what you meant initially). All we have is everyone finally agreeing that's what you MUST of meant. If you had done so initially we would all be well on our way to a lively discussion, instead of wasting time trying to figure out if Aucoin and Cloutier amongst others are eligible to play on Team Quebec (or Team French Canada in your vernacular).

>>>NO THANKS TO YOU. I still have not seen a single post from you that says flat out "province of birth" is the criteria to be used (assuming that's what you meant initially). All we have is everyone finally agreeing that's what you MUST of meant. If you had done so initially we would all be well on our way to a lively discussion, instead of wasting time trying to figure out if Aucoin and Cloutier amongst others are eligible to play on Team Quebec (or Team French Canada in your vernacular).<<<
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kickabra.......

Brahahahahahahaha!........Humour me some more why don't you?...thanks for the laughs buddy.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

kickabra.......Brahahahahahahaha!........Humour me some more why don't you?...thanks for the laughs buddy.

Cheers!~

monkey_00[/font]
And again, Monkey_00 resorts to nonsense while still not coming clean on what he meant? Is it that hard for you to say, "I meant province of birth". Come on say it. It is not that hard. By not saying it, all you are doing is continuing this charade by throwing suspicion on yourself that you meant something different. Is that the case? Come on, say it.."PROVINCE OF BIRTH IS WHAT I MEANT". It's a simple 7 word sentence., well within your intellectual grasp I'm sure. "PROVINCE OF BIRTH IS WHAT I MEANT". see it's simple.

This is a bit off topic, but the stupidiest thing I've heard was when some Montreal fans said that Saku Koivu shouldn't be the captain of Canadiens because he doesn't speak french! Hahahahah!! :lol

R.Regehr(Born in Brazil but since he plays for calgary we'll take him )


His hometown is in Saskatchewan (name escapes me), and he played in the WHL. So he is ours to begin with ;)

FallenSouljah] [/b]R.Regehr(Born in Brazil but since he plays for calgary we'll take him)


[QUOTE=Roughneck]His hometown is in Saskatchewan (name escapes me), and he played in the WHL. So he is ours to begin with ;)
But he did play his Junior in BC so can definitely play on Team BC. Oops I forgot, everyone on this thread agreed that Monkey_00 in his infinitive wisdom set the criteria to use in determining what team a player can play for as place of birth. Therefore Regehr is on only eligible for Team Brasil (maybe he can play beach volleyball). Anyway, feel free to contact Monkey_00 and ask him to explain, maybe he'll give you a straight answer.

This is a bit off topic, but the stupidiest thing I've heard was when some Montreal fans said that Saku Koivu shouldn't be the captain of Canadiens because he doesn't speak french! Hahahahah!! :lol

Where did you here that stuff??

Canada West

P.Kariya/J.Sakic/J.Iginla
R.Symth/S.Yzerman/D.Heatley
L.Langkow/P.Marleau/S.Doan
J.Friesen/B.Morrison/M. Recchi

Spares:B. Isbister, M.Comrie, R. Whitney, G.Brule

S.Niedermayer/W.Redden
S.Hannan/J.Bouwmeester
E.Brewer/R.Regehr(Born in Brazil but since he plays for calgary we'll take him )
D.Hamihuis/B.Stuart

Spares: K.Mclaren, M.Rathje

E.Belfour
A. Auld

That looks like the best lineup I could make too. We also have Morrow and Morris. The best goalie you didnt have on the list the list that I could find was Trevor Kidd (ouch). I think we could take Ontario and Quebec... only problem is goaltending. :eek:

His hometown is in Saskatchewan (name escapes me), and he played in the WHL. So he is ours to begin with ;)

His home town may be in Saskatchewan...but he was born in Brazil, I checked NHL.com and Espn to make sure. But it doesn't matter as long as he plays for canada :D

That looks like the best lineup I could make too. We also have Morrow and Morris. The best goalie you didnt have on the list the list that I could find was Trevor Kidd (ouch). I think we could take Ontario and Quebec... only problem is goaltending. :eek:

No doubt...

Our defense kicks ass, highly moblie, highly skilled and pretty young ! Our fowards are pretty damn good, with Sakic and Iggy leading the team but our goaltending needs some help after Belfour! Then again Alex Auld could be a pretty good starter in few years to come. As for Kidd, ewwwww!

Updated Canada West Team (if not training camp list ;) )

P.Kariya/J.Sakic/J.Iginla
R.Symth/S.Yzerman/D.Heatley
L.Langkow/P.Marleau/S.Doan
J.Friesen/B.Morrison/M. Recchi

Spares:B. Isbister, M.Comrie, R. Whitney, G.Brule, B.Morrow, S.Hartnell, R. Niedermayer

S.Niedermayer/W.Redden
S.Hannan/J.Bouwmeester
E.Brewer/R.Regehr
D.Hamihuis/B.Stuart

Spares: K.Mclaren, M.Rathje, D.Morris

E.Belfour
A. Auld

Spares: T.Kidd

>>>And again, Monkey_00 resorts to nonsense while still not coming clean on what he meant? Is it that hard for you to say, "I meant province of birth". Come on say it. It is not that hard. By not saying it, all you are doing is continuing this charade by throwing suspicion on yourself that you meant something different. Is that the case? Come on, say it.."PROVINCE OF BIRTH IS WHAT I MEANT". It's a simple 7 word sentence., well within your intellectual grasp I'm sure. "PROVINCE OF BIRTH IS WHAT I MEANT". see it's simple.<<<

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kickabrat.......

"Nonsense" is youir continued WHINING about how I worded the question.......would you like some Cheese to go with your Whine (wine)?.......heh heh heh........

Why should I even answer your question when you already know what I was asking you in the first place?.........It would be wasted energy on my part.........Stop wasting my time in here and start adding something valuable to the thread since you already know (and knew from the get-go) what I was asking here in the first place.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

>>>And again, Monkey_00 resorts to nonsense while still not coming clean on what he meant? Is it that hard for you to say, "I meant province of birth". Come on say it. It is not that hard. By not saying it, all you are doing is continuing this charade by throwing suspicion on yourself that you meant something different. Is that the case? Come on, say it.."PROVINCE OF BIRTH IS WHAT I MEANT". It's a simple 7 word sentence., well within your intellectual grasp I'm sure. "PROVINCE OF BIRTH IS WHAT I MEANT". see it's simple.<<<
kickabrat.......
"Nonsense" is youir continued WHINING about how I worded the question.......would you like some Cheese to go with your Whine (wine)?.......heh heh heh........ Why should I even answer your question when you already know what I was asking you in the first place?.........It would be wasted energy on my part.........Stop wasting my time in here and start adding something valuable to the thread since you already know (and knew from the get-go) what I was asking here in the first place.
Cheers!~ monkey_00
And yet again, no direct answer to a direct question from Monkey_00. (what are you a politician) and I wonder why? There can only be two reasons why he refuses to come out and say that he meant "province of birth" in his original post.

He did not mean "province of birth" as the criteria. In which case, what did he mean? Citizenship? Well we all know that Canadians (english or french) are not usually "classified" by provincial citizenship, so this would be a difficult criteria to establish (is it currently living there, having once lived there, lived there for at least 5 years, etc.) or
He did mean "province of birth". In which case, after I and others pointed out that this could cause some weird selections, he finally realized that maybe he was wrong. Maybe this criteria was flawed. Maybe there were situations where you couldn't just dump a player on one team or another or you could put him on both or none. Maybe different people had different assumptions about what he meant. That maybe he should have been clearer about what he was looking for. But by now because he's made a career of dodging the question and posting nonsense answers he doesn't want to lose face by admitting he was wrong.
So monkey_zero, which one is it 1 or 2? Oh wait, I already know what your going to write.. "you know what I meant". Well guess what I and others did not.

But by your smart-aleck non-responses to the question it seems you think everyone is clear on what you meant. If you are not going to answer that question (which I doubt you will, give you propensity to string words together that are without meaning) then answer the following straight forward questions.

What teams would Robyn Regehr be eligble for - Team French Canada or Team English Canada?
What team would Dan Cloutier be eligible for - Team French Canada or Team English Canada?
The reason you think qualifies them to be eligible for the team you allocated them to?

The first team I will post up will be Team Saskatchewan/Manitoba.....I've decided to combine these two teams together since there wouldn't be enough to form a team made up of just players from Manitoba.........Aaaah yes.......I miss my Saskatchewan........


Team Saskatchewan/ Manitoba:

Goalies:
Eddie Belfour- MB
Corey Schwab- SK
Trevor Kidd- MB

Defencemen:

Rhett Warrener- SK
Chris McAllister- SK
Nick Schultz- SK
Shane Hnidy- MB
Curtis Leschyshyn- MB
Wade Redden- SK
Kyle McLaren- SK
Bryce Salvador- MB
Brent Sopel- SK
Rick Berry- MB
Brendan Witt- SK
Corey Sarich- SK

Forwards:

Mike LeClerc- MB
Curtis Brown- SK
Jody Shelley- MB
Brendan Morrow- SK
Scott Hartnell- SK
Jeff Friesen- SK
Justin Mapletoft- SK
Peter Schaefer- SK
Alexander Steen- MB
Mike Sillinger- SK
Patrick Marleau- SK
Theo Fleury- SK
Reed Low- SK
Wade Belak- SK (also team's Mascot)

The next team I'll be working on will be Team British Columbia............

>>>Quote:
Originally Posted by Kickabrat
Just curious but why would you call it Team ENGLISH Canada? Why did you not call team quebec Team FRENCH Canada?

If there is an english speaking quebeker, does he play for team quebec or Team ENGLISH Canada? And if a player is born in quebec but grew up in Ontario is he eligble to play for both or does he have to speak french to play on team quebec? Why would Lemieux be on team quebec, he's lived in Pittsburgh for over 20 years and only lived in quebec for 18. What the criteria is here.
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Originally Posted by x-bob
It's because of people like you that evryting is screwed up.......who cares<<<
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x-bob.......... :lol:

That's ok.......Let's be gentle with our little friend over here........He's just a little confused that's all.......Who knows?......maybe he's a lawyer.....OR maybe even a politician. :D

Cheers!~

monkey_00

And yet again, no direct answer to a direct question from Monkey_00. (But by your smart-aleck non-responses to the question it seems you think everyone is clear on what you meant. If you are not going to answer that question (which I doubt you will, give you propensity to string words together that are without meaning) then answer the following straight forward questions.

What teams would Robyn Regehr be eligble for - Team French Canada or Team English Canada?
What team would Dan Cloutier be eligible for - Team French Canada or Team English Canada?
The reason you think qualifies them to be eligible for the team you allocated them to?

I will repeat part of my previous post question since you continue to avoid answering any question. I am beginning to wonder if you have a learning disability and have trouble comprehending simple questions? What's wrong monkey boy, do you have a problem with the English language? Is that it? Did you attended school for those "special" kids? Can't you even answer a simple question? Is the above question too dificult for you to comprehend? Are you an actual monkey, is that it? Or is it that you are just plain stupid? What is you answer to the above question monkey boy?

>>>I will repeat part of my previous post question since you continue to avoid answering any question. I am beginning to wonder if you have a learning disability and have trouble comprehending simple questions? What's wrong monkey boy, do you have a problem with the English language? Is that it? Did you attended school for those "special" kids? Can't you even answer a simple question? Is the above question too dificult for you to comprehend? Are you an actual monkey, is that it? Or is it that you are just plain stupid? What is you answer to the above question monkey boy?<<<
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kickabrat..............

................Oh............you again?.............Get a life...........

Like I said before.......You know what the question was asking so why should I waste my energy on you.......You really confuse me.......on one hand you try to come out sounding Intelligent..........and then on the otherhand you resort to calling people stupid...........If you don't know by now what the question is then look in the mirror and you will see for yourself who the stupid one is. :p:

Have a great day.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

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