Bell Centre and the ACC

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There was a huge difference in the Toronto crowd compared to Montreal. I say this as a hockey fan born and raised in Toronto - there was no comparison in the atmosphere. Montreal was much more raucous. It was not even close in Toronto.

The players noticed it, too. Everybody noticed it.

I was surprised the difference was so great. Now, there is no question that fans at the Air Canada Centre love their Maple Leafs, but Toronto has not been home to much international hockey in the past, so maybe they just had trouble cheering for the red Maple Leaf instead of the blue one. It's really unfortunate, because Canada will play the balance of its schedule in Toronto, and they seem to get a better reception in Montreal.

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Come on TO, get your act together! :teach:

lol no surprise MONTREAL= Hockey :D

I noticed that too. I was at the Slovakia game on Wednesday and the atmosphere was great. It looked and sounded pretty tame at the ACC last night. Perhaps it is because there are more tickets available to regular fans at the bell centre due to it's huge capacity of 21,273 compared with the 19,000 in Toronto, where a larger percentage of the crowd is corporate.

I was disappointed too. I know that Toronto is "the capital of hockey" and a hockey crazy city, but the crowd at the Russia game was really quiet and tame. :dunno: I wonder why the rest of the games will be played in ACC since Bell centre's capacity is bigger and the atmosphere is obviously better. And I wonder why none of the Canada's games were played in Vancouver. :(

Anyways, come on Toronto, it's time to get loud and raucous! ;)

I guess if Toronto isn't good enough to host World Cup hockey, I know that there are 3 arenas out West that would love to host some WC action...

Which arena has more corporate seats?

Which arena has more corporate seats?
ACC.

Montreal lose because they're french.

ACC.

all right then.. its all corporate.. and of course in 72 and other great competition the corporate didnt give sh..t as well i guess.. it no excuses.. tickets are expensive in montreal too. anyway... montreal is the real hockey town in popularity and history.

I guess if Toronto isn't good enough to host World Cup hockey, I know that there are 3 arenas out West that would love to host some WC action...
Problem is the time difference. People in the east would complain that the games start too late (as evidenced by many playoff games that Detroit plays because it's in an eastern time zone but playing in a western time zone conference).
Unless the games started at 4 pm, which would suck for attendance over here because a good majority of the people that would attend are still working, the eastern folk would have to stay up past midnight to watch the games.

all right then.. its all corporate.. and of course in 72 and other great competition the corporate didnt give sh..t as well i guess.. it no excuses.. tickets are expensive in montreal too. anyway... montreal is the real hockey town in popularity and history.

Montreal is no more of a "real" hockey town then any other city in the country... The fans in Montreal were no more passionate then the fans in Halifax for the WJC... get over yourself.

Montreal is no more of a hockey town then any other city in the country... The fans in Montreal were no more passionate then the fans in Halifax for the WJC... get over yourself.

yup, they were.

yup, they were.

No they weren't, and not only were they not more passionate then the fans in Halifax, they were also not more passionate then the fans in Winnipeg who hosted the WJC prior to it being in Halifax...

and while I'm at it, Hab fans in the playoffs were not more loud and crazy then the fans in Calgary, Edmonton (when they were there) Vancouver.

Montreal is no more of a hockey town then any other city in the country... The fans in Montreal were no more passionate then the fans in Halifax for the WJC... get over yourself.

I'm sorry, but most of the people that use corporate seats have the enthusiasm of a wet noodle. Usually there because it's a free ticket and to treat other associates.

There's a fine line catering to the fans and corporate dollars, unfortunately with the market is, the corporations pony up more.

I'm sorry, but most of the people that use corporate seats have the enthusiasm of a wet noodle. Usually there because it's a free ticket and to treat other associates.

There's a fine line catering to the fans and corporate dollars, unfortunately with the market is, the corporations pony up more.

Yeah, no kidding, what does this have to do with what I said.

Yeah, no kidding, what does this have to do with what I said.

That's why I asked which arena had more corporate seats, generally the more genuine fans that are in attendance, the louder the building will be.

No they weren't, and not only were they not more passionate then the fans in Halifax, they were also not more passionate then the fans in Winnipeg who hosted the WJC prior to it being in Halifax...

and while I'm at it, Hab fans in the playoffs were not more loud and crazy then the fans in Calgary, Edmonton (when they were there) Vancouver.

Funny you say that, cause a lot of lightning players were saying the montrealseries was much louder then the Calgary series, but hey, what do they know right?

Halifax :joker: .

That's why I asked which arena had more corporate seats, generally the more genuine fans that are in attendance, the louder the building will be.

uh huh, I'm still failing to see what that has to do with what I said.

Funny you say that, cause a lot of lightning players were saying the montrealseries was much louder then the Calgary series, but hey, what do they know right?

Halifax :joker: .

Well, sure didn't reflect that on TV..

But you go ahead thinking Montreal is the real hockey town as if you have the basis to measure the passion from city to city, or from idividulal to individual, in this country. :joker: Yes, Montrealers are the be all and end all whom know how to embrace the game properly, something the rest of the country in a country where hockey is king just cant measure up to the great Montreal :joker:

It's Canada - all cities have their hockey pride. The reason for ACC's crappy atmosphere has to do with all the suits. Let's not get into the 'whose fans are better' and 'which is the hockey best city' arguments.

And there's no need to diss Halifax. We kick ass. Especially when it comes to hockey.

Well, sure didn't reflect that on TV..

But you go ahead thinking Montreal is the real hockey town as if you have the basis to measure the passion from city to city, or from idividulal to individual, in this country. :joker: Yes, Montrealers are the be all and end all whom know how to embrace the game properly, something the rest of the country in a country where hockey is king just cant measure up to the great Montreal :joker:

I dont think any city in Canada is more of a hockey town then another since about a vast majority of Canadians all around the country loves the game...

But the guy did said Montreal arena was louder than Calgary in the last playoffs. This is actually a fact, 4-5 players from Tampa Bay have been quote in the last months where they said Mtl was louder. So what? It doesnt mean Calgary is less pasionnate about hockey, it simply mean the smaller arena does worth few more thousands people when it's time to make some noise...

Well, sure didn't reflect that on TV..

But you go ahead thinking Montreal is the real hockey town as if you have the basis to measure the passion from city to city, or from idividulal to individual, in this country. :joker: Yes, Montrealers are the be all and end all whom know how to embrace the game properly, something the rest of the country in a country where hockey is king just cant measure up to the great Montreal :joker:


Im glad you finally understand.

This is actually a fact, 4-5 players from Tampa Bay have been quote in the last months where they said Mtl was louder.

Got a link to these "facts"?

Got a link to these "facts"?

http://www.rds.ca/chroniqueurs/expert_andrroy.html

Liste des chroniques:

L'AMH est une possibilité (AHM is a posibility)
Quel feeling incroyable! (What a feeling!)
Je ne comprends pas ses décisions (I don't understand his decisions)
Il y aura un septième match (There will be a seventh game)
Un lecteur assidu chez les Flames (A passionnate reader with the Flames)
C'est plus bruyant au Centre Bell qu'au Saddledome (It's louder in the Bell Centre from the Saddledome)
Nous sommes encore loin des Olé Olé Olé (We're still far away from the Olé Olé Olé)
Je flotte sur un nuage (I still can't believe it)
La foule du Centre Bell est la plus bruyante (The Bell Centre attendance is the loudest)
Tous les moyens sont bons pour détendre l'atmosphère (Every trick is good to keep the atmosphere calm)

I don't think it has anything to do with who likes hockey more. There are a number of reasons why Montreal has louder crowds.

1) Seating capacity. At 21,273, the Bell Centre is one of the largest arenas in the world.

2) Percentage of non corporate seating. There are more regular fans at the Bell Centre than ACC games.

3) Montreal Culture. Montrealers love to party and sporting events are no different. The Als get the same kind of boisterous singing dancing crowd at Molson Stadium. This party culture is contagious to all fans who visit Montreal as well.

All Canadian cities are good hockey towns with great passionate fans. Montreal is just the quintessential hockey experience. Sort of like a baseball game at Fenway. I'm just glad that the Bell Centre has finaly developed some of the atmosphere that the forum had.

Montreal is no more of a "real" hockey town then any other city in the country... The fans in Montreal were no more passionate then the fans in Halifax for the WJC... get over yourself.


Sorry dude your completely wrong. The topic is Montreal vs Toronto not against Halifax. Montreal's atmosphere was a lot louder and more intense than in Montreal. Too bad they can't switch the finals to Montreal.

As for Toronto being the capital of hockey, the way the fans were, maybe Calgary or Montreal should be crowned. Honestly, have you ever seen a city rally around a team as much as Calgary did? Oh wait definately not Toronto b/c they haven't reached the finals in 40 years :razz:

Well, sure didn't reflect that on TV..

But you go ahead thinking Montreal is the real hockey town as if you have the basis to measure the passion from city to city, or from idividulal to individual, in this country. :joker: Yes, Montrealers are the be all and end all whom know how to embrace the game properly, something the rest of the country in a country where hockey is king just cant measure up to the great Montreal :joker:

You finally said something that is correct, good for you buddy. :joker:

Courtesy of Bob McKenzie:

http://tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie.asp

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There was a huge difference in the Toronto crowd compared to Montreal. I say this as a hockey fan born and raised in Toronto - there was no comparison in the atmosphere. Montreal was much more raucous. It was not even close in Toronto.

The players noticed it, too. Everybody noticed it.

I was surprised the difference was so great. Now, there is no question that fans at the Air Canada Centre love their Maple Leafs, but Toronto has not been home to much international hockey in the past, so maybe they just had trouble cheering for the red Maple Leaf instead of the blue one. It's really unfortunate, because Canada will play the balance of its schedule in Toronto, and they seem to get a better reception in Montreal.

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Come on TO, get your act together! :teach:


My explanation is that people of Montreal REALLY, REALLY love their hockey while the people of Toronto REALLY, REALLY love their Leasfs!!!

As far as hockey, there's no arguement. Montreal really is the hockey capital of the world!

Sorry dude your completely wrong. The topic is Montreal vs Toronto not against Halifax. Montreal's atmosphere was a lot louder and more intense than in Montreal. Too bad they can't switch the finals to Montreal.

As for Toronto being the capital of hockey, the way the fans were, maybe Calgary or Montreal should be crowned. Honestly, have you ever seen a city rally around a team as much as Calgary did? Oh wait definately not Toronto b/c they haven't reached the finals in 40 years :razz:

How am I completely wrong when the guy I was replying to said Montreal is the "real" hockey town... When you go proclaiming yourself to be the "real" hockeytown it becomes more then just Montreal and Toronto, other places where you can find passion in abundance will enter into the equation automatically.... I never once for a second questioned who was louder between Montreal and Toronto... though there are factors to be considered as habfansincebirth has pointed out, it isn't as black and white as some may like to look at it.. montreal was louder, want a cookie?...

TO by the way doesn't need to make the finals to get behind their team, anyone who questions Toronto's ability to get behind their team come playoff time, clearly has never been to the city around playoff season... no better time of the year to be in TO then playoff time, win or lose. so you can shove that little face of yours back where the sun dont shine, please dont come at me next with a neener neener neener, whatever would I do.

Got a link to these "facts"?

http://www.rds.ca/chroniqueurs/expert_andrroy.html


So just one guy said that? A person of french descent, speaking to rds (also french), speaking about montreal (french attendance). Definetly no bias there at all... What was he supposed to say when he was approached by rds? That they weren't noisy at all?

I have video of coaches and numerous players that Calgary played that said Calgary fans were the loudest. Sadly Mr Roy heard the dome when it was the quietest through the playoffs. It was loudest in the first 3 series. There's is no right... we have no way of knowing who was actually louder unless there was some db readings taken.

A little "fact" for you. The mics in the saddledome kept peaking and distorting during cheers... I didn't hear them do that in montreal.

I dont think any city in Canada is more of a hockey town then another since about a vast majority of Canadians all around the country loves the game...

But the guy did said Montreal arena was louder than Calgary in the last playoffs. This is actually a fact, 4-5 players from Tampa Bay have been quote in the last months where they said Mtl was louder. So what? It doesnt mean Calgary is less pasionnate about hockey, it simply mean the smaller arena does worth few more thousands people when it's time to make some noise...

Whether it was louder or not could very well be subjective, and perhaps the couple thousand extra seats in Montreal plays a factor... would have been difficult for the saddledome to generate much more noise then it did at times when it hit its peak for noise... pound for pound I'd say it was as loud as it could pretty much get.

As far as hockey, there's no arguement. Montreal really is the hockey capital of the world!

Woah... Doesn't Detroit and Edmonton say the same thing?

Lecavalier also said Montreal was the loudest in the playoffs in the journal de montreal this week, St-Louis also.

Right, both being french descent also. If you were a Tampa player of french descent, and was asked if Calgary or Montreal fans were loudest, what would you say?

:rolleyes:

Whatever...the real loud fans in Toronto are probably at home, at the bar, at friends house cuz they can't ****ing afford a ticket to the damn game. It's not our fault the ACC is always full of the corporate people who don't give a rats ass if they get back to their seats 10 mins late. Personally, I loved the atmosphere in Montreal cause it was loud but that doesn't make Toronto fans seem like they're not interested in Canada and only just the Leafs. Hell I cheer even more for Canada than I would for the Leafs.

Right, both being french descent also. If you were a Tampa player of french descent, and was asked if Calgary or Montreal fans were loudest, what would you say?


Brad Richard said the same thing

montreal is hockey town for one reason buddy, we have 24 stanley cups, enough said. dont you think it helps.. i mean its the hockey town known OVER THE WORLD for his hockey team.. so OK ill say your right then... lol

Don't you just love Canadians! I mean who else would argue over which venue cheers more loudly for their country?!

Cripe, Toronto may not have the passion that Montreal does but they have to still be considered one heck of a hockey town when over 18,000 people show up on a gorgeous night to watch Russia and Slovakia play! That is more fans in the building than what the U.S. had when they played Slovakia!

montreal is hockey town for one reason buddy, we have 24 stanley cups, enough said. dont you think it helps.. i mean its the hockey town known OVER THE WORLD for his hockey team.. so OK ill say your right then... lol

I wish you wouldn't flaunt our 24 cups as the reason we are the #1 hockey town, it comes off as arrogant and it isn't classy. It just the kind of thing that drives fans of other teams up the wall and brings down the Montreal Canadiens class.

If we even are the #1 town it's thanks to serveral previously mentioned resons.

1) The large building. 21 273 fans and the entire upper deck is full of real fans going crazy. And the upper reds are also pretty good too.

2) The suits in TO prefer to talk business and have a good steak in the restaurant than trouble themselves with "some silly game"

3) Montreal does have that party town athmosphere.

All of these points have already been specified and IMO, they are the reason for the difference in noise.

I think most Canadian towns are pretty much equal. Some of those small towns such as Halifax and Winnepeg go crazy for JR hockey nevermind the NHL. This is a hockey country and I don't think there's a clear cut leader.

Got a link to these "facts"?
Why do you need a link? Why can't you just believe what he says? Or choose not to believe it? One thing that pisses me off on this board is that nobody will believe anything unless there's a link.

Hi, my name is Jordan. I was born in Kamloops, BC. I now live in Victoria. Do you believe me or do you need a link?

The earth is round? Link?

I guess if Toronto isn't good enough to host World Cup hockey, I know that there are 3 arenas out West that would love to host some WC action...

there's just not enough corperate support out here.... and the league will ad the travel excuse in there to slide it under the rug.... the only reason they are in toronto is because of money..... they don't care about the atmosphere

Whether it was louder or not could very well be subjective, and perhaps the couple thousand extra seats in Montreal plays a factor... would have been difficult for the saddledome to generate much more noise then it did at times when it hit its peak for noise... pound for pound I'd say it was as loud as it could pretty much get.

These extra seats in the bell center.... i don't know if they help with the atmosphere. Its a huge and cavernous building.... you really have to step up the loud-meter to get that place rocking..... and the habs fans are very capable and proven to do that

These extra seats in the bell center.... i don't know if they help with the atmosphere. Its a huge and cavernous building.... you really have to step up the loud-meter to get that place rocking..... and the habs fans are very capable and proven to do that

Thats a good point which I do not dispute... all I'm saying is when the Flame fans peaked for noise level, I really dont think that buidling could have possibly gotten any louder... Yes, I say that even if you replaced those 20 000 flame fans with 20 000 hab fans.

Why do you need a link? Why can't you just believe what he says? Or choose not to believe it? One thing that pisses me off on this board is that nobody will believe anything unless there's a link.

Hi, my name is Jordan. I was born in Kamloops, BC. I now live in Victoria. Do you believe me or do you need a link?

The earth is round? Link?
Agreed :lol .

Montreal in its self is a very loud excited city because Montreal has a very diffrent culture than the rest of Canada. Even at a alouette game wher the capacity crowd at the molson stadium is only 20 000 its the loudest stadium in the cfl.

Finally getting to a computer to respond to this. About the ACC the first night it is true it was not raucous. It was however colorful and had applause at the right times , most fans understanding what they were seeing- you can read that as being not out of their minds drunk. I was in the Molson Center for game three of the 96 World Cup and it was without question the most embarassing crowd i've ever been in contact with in all my travels following the various national team levels.. It was loud and it was fantastic......... until the US tied it at two. The fans went quiet..... then Amonte scores to take the lead and quickly the fans begin to boo every slight miscue at a time the team needs the support the most. It continued to get worse and what followed was a littering of the ice with whatever garbage fans could find. Easily the worst moment i've been involved with. Lets see what Toronto is made of when the team really needs its fans, when the games are on the line. Montreal is good when times are good which is not a true indication of a fans character. Halifax set the standard at the World Juniors and i'm hoping Toronto can come close to matching it. Montreal needs to earn my respect back because they lost it eight years ago.

Finally getting to a computer to respond to this. About the ACC the first night it is true it was not raucous. It was however colorful and had applause at the right times , most fans understanding what they were seeing- you can read that as being not out of their minds drunk. I was in the Molson Center for game three of the 96 World Cup and it was without question the most embarassing crowd i've ever been in contact with in all my travels following the various national team levels.. It was loud and it was fantastic......... until the US tied it at two. The fans went quiet..... then Amonte scores to take the lead and quickly the fans begin to boo every slight miscue at a time the team needs the support the most. It continued to get worse and what followed was a littering of the ice with whatever garbage fans could find. Easily the worst moment i've been involved with. Lets see what Toronto is made of when the team really needs its fans, when the games are on the line. Montreal is good when times are good which is not a true indication of a fans character. Halifax set the standard at the World Juniors and i'm hoping Toronto can come close to matching it. Montreal needs to earn my respect back because they lost it eight years ago.

Thats exactly why Montreal fans are so crazy about their team, its that they hate it so much when their team is losing a game that they go crazy and mean, just like yankee fans in new york, they everything that goes bad.

Thats exactly why Montreal fans are so crazy about their team, its that they hate it so much when their team is losing a game that they go crazy and mean, just like yankee fans in new york, they everything that goes bad.
They boo everything that goes bad :) .

I don't think it has anything to do with who likes hockey more. There are a number of reasons why Montreal has louder crowds.

1) Seating capacity. At 21,273, the Bell Centre is one of the largest arenas in the world.

2) Percentage of non corporate seating. There are more regular fans at the Bell Centre than ACC games.

3) Montreal Culture. Montrealers love to party and sporting events are no different. The Als get the same kind of boisterous singing dancing crowd at Molson Stadium. This party culture is contagious to all fans who visit Montreal as well.

All Canadian cities are good hockey towns with great passionate fans. Montreal is just the quintessential hockey experience. Sort of like a baseball game at Fenway. I'm just glad that the Bell Centre has finaly developed some of the atmosphere that the forum had.

Good post. I think those three points really sum it up quite nicely, although I'm not so sure about the first one; I mean, how much difference can a couple thousand fans make?

The corporate pandering argument has been brought up time and time again, and it's a valid one. But, and I say this as a born and raised Torontonian (old city - not this GTA crap), even without the corporate element, I question whether Toronto could reach the vocal heights of its Montreal counterpart. As stated in the post above, the difference between Leaf crowds and Hab crowds is not only a matter of which part of the city shows up, but the cities themselves.

Montreal's civic culture and Toronto's civic culture are miles apart. If you were to take a snapshot of what can be considered the quintisential 'Toronto lifestyle/outlook/attitude' and compare it to that of Montreal, what you'd get is simple: Business vs Fun. Toronto is a much more corporate centred city. The average Torontonian can usually be found to be more high strung, serious, and with a eye towards time and the best way to use that time. The average Montrealer, on the other hand, is more likely to take life as it comes. More laid back, more with an eye towards fun.

These differences can be seen in both city's sporting realms. This issue has nothing to do with passion or how much each town loves Hockey. Both are fairly equal. What it does have to do with it how each city expresses that passion. Montrealers are much more outgoing and laid back - hence, they are more prone to public outbursts of emotion. Torontonians on the other hand are not used to such jovial expressions of love and devotion to their sports team; theirs is a more private, more subtle relationship with their team and with the sport.

Above all, it should be stressed that noise does not = passion. They are not one in the same. Hence, this is not an issue of passion, but of expression (am I repeating myself?).

I also think Montreal is more comfortable with itself as a self-sustaining society. Montrealers, and Quebecers, have been able to create their own culture to a large extent - their own musicians, their own movies, their own TV, their own taste in sports. Toronto, like much of central English Canada, does also have it's own culture/taste, but is not as secure in this sense. Torontonians are used to looking to the States for their fare. This is why natives of Toronto have been saddled with the stereotype of being fickle and of only following trends. If it's not big and not accepted by Americans, it's not cool. Case in point: The Argos.

Toronto has the honour of playing home to the oldest, and one of the most historic sports organizations in North America, yet somehow, this team is seen as 'uncool'. It is not embraced and is not well supported. When ever rumours of NFL Northern expansion pop-up, we always hear from a strong contingent of Torontonians pushing for the Argos to go bust, just so the NFL can make its way into town. How pathetic. These people want to see a storied, historic organization go by the way side just so they can indulge in the 'cool' American alternative. This right here sums up the average Torontonians insecurity with anything not accepted outside their own boundries. They can not be comfortable with their own tastes, their own culture - even if those tastes and culture are to be very proud of (in this case, the Argos).

You would never see this in Montreal. Montrealers often partake in activities and arts that no one outside of Quebec even knows about. They are comfortable with themselves, they are proud of who they are, and hence, quite frankly, don't give a flying ***** what anyone else thinks.

How does this relate to Hockey crowds?

Quite simply, Montrealers are more comfortable with themselves, and hence are more comfortable, and more accustom to expressing their pride in loud, boisterous ways. Torontonians are too used to being spoon fed by American culture. They don't know how to act on their own pride. They tippy toe around what they partake in, always afraid that somehow it's not cool enough and that they will not be seen as "world class" for enjoying it.

This is not to say Torontonians are apprehensive about their relationship to the Leafs. Not at all! If there's one aspect of Torontonian civic culture that can be compared to Montreal in their confidence and pride, it's Hockey and the Leafs! But it seems that this laid back, shy, insecure attitude has unfortunately seeped in to the way Torontonians express this pride in the Leafs and Hockey.


I realize I've gone on too long. I also realize this is a very vague and probably bizzare theory. It's all general thoughts written down off the top of my head, so if I come off a little nuts, I apologize. ;)

i can't remember toronto ever having one of the loudest buildings, especially since the ACC was built, so it's really no surprise to me. i was at the game, and i dont think it was nearly as bad as everyone seems to think, but it certainly wasnt as loud as montreal. but then again, toronto rarely is as loud as a lot of the other hockey cities

i can't remember toronto ever having one of the loudest buildings, especially since the ACC was built, so it's really no surprise to me. i was at the game, and i dont think it was nearly as bad as everyone seems to think, but it certainly wasnt as loud as montreal. but then again, toronto rarely is as loud as a lot of the other hockey cities

Yes, and if noise was the be all and end all to defining a hockey city, Chicago would go down as one of the all time great hockey cities as the old Chicago stadium also known as the madhouse on Madison used to be regarded as the loudest building in the league...Many building's south of the border have also been quite loud at times, yet aren't exactly what you would call hockey hot beds... Noise is one aspect.

Yes, and if noise was the be all and end all to defining a hockey city, Chicago would go down as one of the all time great hockey cities as the old Chicago stadium also known as the madhouse on Madison used to be regarded as the loudest building in the league...Many building's south of the border have also been quite loud at times, yet aren't exactly what you would call hockey hot beds... Noise is one aspect.
I thought this thread was about the Bell center being louder than the Acc not about which city's are hockey hot beds?

I thought this thread was about the Bell center being louder than the Acc not about which city's are hockey hot beds?

Yeah, well you can thank your fellow Hab fan who felt it was necessary to proclaim Montreal as the "true hockey town" in a topic that was meant to discuss noise level... I also see those (which may or not apply directly to this particular thread) who question Toronto also as a hockey town because the fans aren't loud enough at the ACC, which I find unfair, ridiculous, and just because I'm a honest guy, flat out stupid.

i can't remember toronto ever having one of the loudest buildings, especially since the ACC was built, so it's really no surprise to me. i was at the game, and i dont think it was nearly as bad as everyone seems to think, but it certainly wasnt as loud as montreal. but then again, toronto rarely is as loud as a lot of the other hockey cities

You are right. We have never been loud. Maple Leaf Gardens was called "The Library" for a reason.

Good post. I think those three points really sum it up quite nicely, although I'm not so sure about the first one; I mean, how much difference can a couple thousand fans make?

The corporate pandering argument has been brought up time and time again, and it's a valid one. But, and I say this as a born and raised Torontonian (old city - not this GTA crap), even without the corporate element, I question whether Toronto could reach the vocal heights of its Montreal counterpart. As stated in the post above, the difference between Leaf crowds and Hab crowds is not only a matter of which part of the city shows up, but the cities themselves.

Montreal's civic culture and Toronto's civic culture are miles apart. If you were to take a snapshot of what can be considered the quintisential 'Toronto lifestyle/outlook/attitude' and compare it to that of Montreal, what you'd get is simple: Business vs Fun. Toronto is a much more corporate centred city. The average Torontonian can usually be found to be more high strung, serious, and with a eye towards time and the best way to use that time. The average Montrealer, on the other hand, is more likely to take life as it comes. More laid back, more with an eye towards fun.

These differences can be seen in both city's sporting realms. This issue has nothing to do with passion or how much each town loves Hockey. Both are fairly equal. What it does have to do with it how each city expresses that passion. Montrealers are much more outgoing and laid back - hence, they are more prone to public outbursts of emotion. Torontonians on the other hand are not used to such jovial expressions of love and devotion to their sports team; theirs is a more private, more subtle relationship with their team and with the sport.

Above all, it should be stressed that noise does not = passion. They are not one in the same. Hence, this is not an issue of passion, but of expression (am I repeating myself?).

I also think Montreal is more comfortable with itself as a self-sustaining society. Montrealers, and Quebecers, have been able to create their own culture to a large extent - their own musicians, their own movies, their own TV, their own taste in sports. Toronto, like much of central English Canada, does also have it's own culture/taste, but is not as secure in this sense. Torontonians are used to looking to the States for their fare. This is why natives of Toronto have been saddled with the stereotype of being fickle and of only following trends. If it's not big and not accepted by Americans, it's not cool. Case in point: The Argos.

Toronto has the honour of playing home to the oldest, and one of the most historic sports organizations in North America, yet somehow, this team is seen as 'uncool'. It is not embraced and is not well supported. When ever rumours of NFL Northern expansion pop-up, we always hear from a strong contingent of Torontonians pushing for the Argos to go bust, just so the NFL can make its way into town. How pathetic. These people want to see a storied, historic organization go by the way side just so they can indulge in the 'cool' American alternative. This right here sums up the average Torontonians insecurity with anything not accepted outside their own boundries. They can not be comfortable with their own tastes, their own culture - even if those tastes and culture are to be very proud of (in this case, the Argos).

You would never see this in Montreal. Montrealers often partake in activities and arts that no one outside of Quebec even knows about. They are comfortable with themselves, they are proud of who they are, and hence, quite frankly, don't give a flying ***** what anyone else thinks.

How does this relate to Hockey crowds?

Quite simply, Montrealers are more comfortable with themselves, and hence are more comfortable, and more accustom to expressing their pride in loud, boisterous ways. Torontonians are too used to being spoon fed by American culture. They don't know how to act on their own pride. They tippy toe around what they partake in, always afraid that somehow it's not cool enough and that they will not be seen as "world class" for enjoying it.

This is not to say Torontonians are apprehensive about their relationship to the Leafs. Not at all! If there's one aspect of Torontonian civic culture that can be compared to Montreal in their confidence and pride, it's Hockey and the Leafs! But it seems that this laid back, shy, insecure attitude has unfortunately seeped in to the way Torontonians express this pride in the Leafs and Hockey.


I realize I've gone on too long. I also realize this is a very vague and probably bizzare theory. It's all general thoughts written down off the top of my head, so if I come off a little nuts, I apologize. ;)

Great point.

Courtesy of Bob McKenzie:

http://tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie.asp

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There was a huge difference in the Toronto crowd compared to Montreal. I say this as a hockey fan born and raised in Toronto - there was no comparison in the atmosphere. Montreal was much more raucous. It was not even close in Toronto.

The players noticed it, too. Everybody noticed it.

I was surprised the difference was so great. Now, there is no question that fans at the Air Canada Centre love their Maple Leafs, but Toronto has not been home to much international hockey in the past, so maybe they just had trouble cheering for the red Maple Leaf instead of the blue one. It's really unfortunate, because Canada will play the balance of its schedule in Toronto, and they seem to get a better reception in Montreal.

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Come on TO, get your act together! :teach:

I don't think its that montreal fans are better fans then TO fans. It's just that french people in general are cocky loud mouthed people when compared to the rest of canada.

Whats up with the lame soccer song at a hockey game anyways?

I don't think its that montreal fans are better fans then TO fans. It's just that french people in general are cocky loud mouthed people when compared to the rest of canada.

Whats up with the lame soccer song at a hockey game anyways?
Who says its a soccr song? Fans at the Molson/Bell center have been singing that song since I can remember.

I don't think its that montreal fans are better fans then TO fans. It's just that french people in general are cocky loud mouthed people when compared to the rest of canada.

Whats up with the lame soccer song at a hockey game anyways?

Chanting a soccer song kicks the **** out of sitting beside a fat man in a suit drinking tea and clapping queerly whenever his team makes a good play. That's what it's like at the ACC.

I think that with the possible exception of the playoffs, Montreal does have a better atmosphere than Toronto, and as others have mentioned, it has mostly to do with the culture, and the type of people who attend games in Montreal versus those in Toronto. I've even seen the exact same difference in Expos and Jays games, where 25,000 at the Big O make more noise than 50,000 at the Dome (not that either team draws those numbers anymore) And I say all this as a die-hard Leaf fan. As a matter of fact, the loudest Leaf fans I have ever heard are when I have gone to see Toronto play on the road in either Montreal or Ottawa.

As far as which city is the hockey capital of the world, every Canadian NHL city is going to militantly insist that they have the best fans, so I'm not sure that's a good measuring stick. I have read that the city of Toronto has produced more NHL players than any other city in the world. That should count for something!

I think as the games get more important, the atmosphere at the ACC should improve somewhat, but perhaps for the next WC, the final should be back in Montreal again.

but perhaps for the next WC, the final should be back in Montreal again.

Yeah, maybe, thats if they dont boo when things dont go the way they want and litter the ice again, as SwisshockeyAcademy mentioned... I see people saying that it's too bad the finals weren't played in Montreal, after the memory was refreshed of that disgusting display, I say good... Just my MO though...

EDIT, and if TO acts in a smilar disgraceful way if Team Canada happens to face some adversity comparable, I will be the first to say that TO deserves no part in the next World Cup.

Yeah, maybe, thats if they dont boo when things dont go the way they want and litter the ice again, as SwisshockeyAcademy mentioned... I see people saying that it's too bad the finals weren't played in Montreal, after the memory was refreshed of that disgusting display, I say good... Just my MO though...


You're right in that Montreal fans are a lot more harsh when things aren't going well, but I expect they would go easier on Team Canada than they would on the Habs if we somehow crash out of this tournament. However I don't expect that will happen.

And we should wait to see how the rest of the games go at the ACC before judging Toronto.

I don't think its that montreal fans are better fans then TO fans. It's just that french people in general are cocky loud mouthed people when compared to the rest of canada.

Whats up with the lame soccer song at a hockey game anyways?

Wow. Great post. I mean, really. You cracked this one wide open.

I won't even comment on your french remarks because they're just ignorant, but on the subject of the soccer song: God forbid people have fun, eh? Let's just sit around and wait for the jumbotron to tell us what to do...

but I expect they would go easier on Team Canada than they would on the Habs if we somehow crash out of this tournament. However I don't expect that will happen.
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I dont know if it could get any worse then what SwisshokceyAcademy described, but, if so, I feel sorry for those Habs... On second thought, no I dont, keep booing those Habs I'd boo them too :lol:

I don't think its that montreal fans are better fans then TO fans. It's just that french people in general are cocky loud mouthed people when compared to the rest of canada.

Whats up with the lame soccer song at a hockey game anyways?


You're a sad little man.

I dont know if it could get any worse then what SwisshokceyAcademy described, but, if so, I feel sorry for those Habs... On second, no I dont, keep booing those Habs I'd boo them too :lol:


Dude, you shouldn't expend so much energy hating Montreal; Save some for Ottawa as well! ;)

Dude, you shouldn't expend so much energy hating Montreal; Save some for Ottawa as well! ;)

Dont worry, I can always find some hate inside me for Ottawa too, how could I possibly leave out Ottawa. :D

I dont know if it could get any worse then what SwisshokceyAcademy described, but, if so, I feel sorry for those Habs... On second, no I dont, keep booing those Habs I'd boo them too :lol:
Stop always posting the same thing...swisshockeyacademy that swisshockeyacademy this...blah blah blah. Montreal fans arent that bad, hey its not our fault if we're so passionate about our habs, better boo your team to let them know that they need to wake than to just sit their and do nothing like the Toronto fans.

Stop always posting the same thing...swisshockeyacademy that swisshockeyacademy this...blah blah blah. Montreal fans arent that bad, hey its not our fault if we're so passionate about our habs, better boo your team to let them know that they need to wake than to just sit their and do nothing like the Toronto fans.I think it's all in good fun, so there's no need to get defensive.
Anyway, let the Leafs' fans have their fun ... it's not our fault they've resorted down to this. ;)

Stop always posting the same thing...swisshockeyacademy that swisshockeyacademy this...blah blah blah. Montreal fans arent that bad, hey its not our fault if we're so passionate about our habs, better boo your team to let them know that they need to wake than to just sit their and do nothing like the Toronto fans.
I don't care what you do to the Habs, it is a disgrace to boo your National team off the ice in what was a great hockey game, Richter stealing the show. The littering of the ice was a carbon copy of the Czech fans after Germany trounced them. It would seem Bob macKenzie has set out to challenge the Toronto crowd and it may work.

I don't care what you do to the Habs, it is a disgrace to boo your National team off the ice in what was a great hockey game, Richter stealing the show. The littering of the ice was a carbon copy of the Czech fans after Germany trounced them. It would seem Bob macKenzie has set out to challenge the Toronto crowd and it may work.

Was the fan reaction in Montreal that night not a protest of what they considered a high stick goal by Brett Hull ?

Stop always posting the same thing...swisshockeyacademy that swisshockeyacademy this...blah blah blah. Montreal fans arent that bad, hey its not our fault if we're so passionate about our habs, better boo your team to let them know that they need to wake than to just sit their and do nothing like the Toronto fans.

What are you going on about, I support you 110 % when it comes to booing the Habs....Keep it up by all means, I'll be right there with you booing them Habs all the way for the rest of my life... To however turn so quickly on the National team was however as already mentioned a disgrace... Your so called "passion" does not justify acting like a bunch of assclowns. People who seem so eager to point out TO's supposed weakness as a hockey city and portray Montreal as this hockey city of perfection seem to have selective viewpoints... Montreal has it's negatives just as TO does. Montreal **** does in fact stink too, just as anyone else's **** does, as hard as that may be to believe for some of the Montreal palm palm wavers.

I don't care what you do to the Habs, it is a disgrace to boo your National team off the ice in what was a great hockey game, Richter stealing the show. The littering of the ice was a carbon copy of the Czech fans after Germany trounced them. It would seem Bob macKenzie has set out to challenge the Toronto crowd and it may work.
OK so it happend once 8 years, get over it!!

Greetings and salutations from Hamilton Ontario Canada........

This little tourney was known before as the Canada Cup and the two times that my hometown of Hamilton Ontario hosted the tournament (1987 and 191) we were SO LOUD that fans were comparing the noise inside our Copps Coliseum to the atmosphere that they use to have inside the old Chicago Stadium.......we almost blew the roof off of the Arena.........

The games are not in Hamilton anymore they've been switched to Toronto which isn't exactly the best City in the world to host an International hockey tournament ESPECIALLY when you have the Toronto Maple Leafs pulling the strings in the background.........let me explain myself further just so you know what I'm getting at here........Toronto Maple Leafs (their real fans...the noisy ones) can't get tickets to Leafs games cause the Huge corporations and Banks centered in-and-around the Toronto area snap up their tickets faster than you can say "Go Leafs Go!".......these aren't real hockey fans these are the suit-and-tie people who go to these games because "it's the in-thing to do in Toronto"......just like it once use to be to go down to SkyDome and watch the Blue Jays play baseball......like that game against the Russians the other night, I couldn't help but notice that everytime the camera was on the Leafs bench all of those fans sitting right behind the Canadian bench were EXACTLY the same clowns that sit there behind the bench for the Leafs games including this BOZO that looks like a poor-man's Don Cherry with the white goatee..........In Hamilton we never had this problem.......the real hockey fans always had access to the game tickets and we made alot of noise at those 2-Canada Cups.....try getting some Bank CEO that earns a couple of million dollars a year to get off of his big fat A$$ AND MAKE NOSIE!.......I don't think so it's not going to work out that way........and THAT'S the problem with Toronto hosting a tourney like this.......the guys they have inside the ACC for these games are SNOBS and think they are too good to Cheer on Team Canada and make some noise............Too Bad......So Sad.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

What are you going on about, I support you 110 % when it comes to booing the Habs....Keep it up by all means, I'll be right there with you booing them Habs all the way for the rest of my life... To however turn so quickly on the National team was however as already mentioned a disgrace... Your so called "passion" does not justify acting like a bunch of assclowns. People who seem so eager to point out TO's supposed weakness as a hockey city and portray Montreal as this hockey city of perfection seem to have selective viewpoints... Montreal has it's negatives just as TO does. Montreal **** does in fact stink too, just as anyone else's **** does, as hard as that may be to believe for some of the Montreal palm palm wavers.
Yeah whatever you say bro! The Toronto crowd is boring compared to Montreal's!!
At least Montreal fans give a **** about their team.

Greetings and salutations from Hamilton Ontario Canada........

This little tourney was known before as the Canada Cup and the two times that my hometown of Hamilton Ontario hosted the tournament (1987 and 191) we were SO LOUD that fans were comparing the noise inside our Copps Coliseum to the atmosphere that they use to have inside the old Chicago Stadium.......we almost blew the roof off of the Arena.........

The games are not in Hamilton anymore they've been switched to Toronto which isn't exactly the best City in the world to host an International hockey tournament ESPECIALLY when you have the Toronto Maple Leafs pulling the strings in the background.........let me explain myself further just so you know what I'm getting at here........Toronto Maple Leafs (their real fans...the noisy ones) can't get tickets to Leafs games cause the Huge corporations and Banks centered in-and-around the Toronto area snap up their tickets faster than you can say "Go Leafs Go!".......these aren't real hockey fans these are the suit-and-tie people who go to these games because "it's the in-thing to do in Toronto"......just like it once use to be to go down to SkyDome and watch the Blue Jays play baseball......like that game against the Russians the other night, I couldn't help but notice that everytime the camera was on the Leafs bench all of those fans sitting right behind the Canadian bench were EXACTLY the same clowns that sit there behind the bench for the Leafs games including this BOZO that looks like a poor-man's Don Cherry with the white goatee..........In Hamilton we never had this problem.......the real hockey fans always had access to the game tickets and we made alot of noise at those 2-Canada Cups.....try getting some Bank CEO that earns a couple of million dollars a year to get off of his big fat A$$ AND MAKE NOSIE!.......I don't think so it's not going to work out that way........and THAT'S the problem with Toronto hosting a tourney like this.......the guys they have inside the ACC for these games are SNOBS and think they are too good to Cheer on Team Canada and make some noise............Too Bad......So Sad.

Cheers!~

monkey_00

Good point. GO HABS GO .... LEAFS **** (jokingly)

At least Montreal fans give a **** about their team.

Too bad they display it negatively when things dont go their way, acting like a bunch of spoiled little brats.

As others have said, the real fans probably can't afford the tix for the most part. In Pittsburgh, when Three Rivers Stadium was torn down, I think the majority of the people could not afford tickets in Heinz Field. In my old section, it was extremely loud and exciting, however now its a pretty boring group. I would not think the leafs fans are any less pasionate about their team than the Candiens, or Senators, etc.

OK so it happend once 8 years, get over it!!
My point is this Montreal is better than Toronto crap should never have been started. Thanks to TSN for that.

My point is this Montreal is better than Toronto crap should never have been started. Thanks to TSN for that.


It never should have been started is right. Bob Mckenzie, I'm not sure if he was there or not, but I was, and the noise was fine. It's just getting blown WAY out of proportion now. The fans in the upper bowl at least were chanting up a storm, and were reallly into the game.


I'm going to throw out another reason as to why the game was not so loud. Toronto fans are used to bitter disappointment. I know I am. And watching the games sometimes make us nervous, on the edge of our seat, so much so, that chanting and making noise is almost secondary.

Too bad they display it negatively when things dont go their way, acting like a bunch of spoiled little brats.
Boy are you a bitter person.

The lack of noise at the ACC does suck, as it doesn't represent the regular Leaf fan. There are tonnes of us sitting at home or in sports bar who are making more than enough noise, but we just can't afford ticks, or willing to fork out that money to pay for the ticks. It really is unfortunate, as ACC does have this reputation for being a quiet building.

I know someone who was at the game the other night and he said that in the upper level it was pretty loud, but the people near the ice were quiet. It's a shame that so many ticks to Leaf/Canada games are owned by corporate stiffs.

Boy are you a bitter person.

I call it as I see it, if it comes off as bitter to you, then so be it, could care less... Not going to stop me from voicing my opinion... Hab fans have no problem taking shots at the Leafs and their fans, but have a problem being on the receiving end... if you cant take it dont dish it...It's a shame that some of the more respectful fans from both sides have to get caught in the middle of it, but thats the way the cookie crumbles... Why not put all cards on the table... hab fans may have a problem with what I have said because it doesn't reflect as positively on them as they would like it to... I'm sure if the whole thread was praising Montreal, ignoring the negative, that would suit them just fine... sadly for them, doesn't work that way. When you pass judgement on others you open yourself up to being judged, plain and simple.. Not my problem that some Hab fans out there act like little kids with their little tantrums they throw when everything isn't the way they want it to be. Some may see that as showing passion, I see it as being spoiled little brats... If thats not a spoiled little brat what is... But hey, thanks for dropping by again... your insight is always more then welcome.

I call it as I see it, if it comes off as bitter to you, then so be it, could care less... Not going to stop me from voicing my opinion... Hab fans have no problem taking shots at the Leafs and their fans, but have a problem being on the receiving end... if you cant take it dont dish it...It's a shame that some of the more respectful fans from both sides have to get got in the middle of it, but thats the way the cookie crumbles... Why not put all cards on the table... Not my problem that some Hab fans out there act like little kids with their little tantrums they throw when everything isn't the way they want it to be. Some may see that as showing passion, I see it as being spoiled little brats... If thats not a spoiled little brat what is... But hey, thanks for dropping by again... your insight is always more then welcome.

I'll try and change Johnny. I've seen the light. From this moment on, I'll try and be a better man. Thank you.

I'll try and change Johnny. I've seen the light. From this moment on, I'll try and be a better man. Thank you.

nothing personal mcphee from what I have seen of you as a poster you are a solid level headed poster here with plenty positve to contribute... If you care to refute what I said by all means go right ahead.

nothing personal mcphee from what I have seen of you as a poster you are a solid level headed poster here with plenty positve to contribute... If you care to refute what I said by all means go right ahead.

I actually have a huge melon head,not level at all. The whole question about whose fans are louder or better behaved becomes childish mine is bigger than yours stuff.People go crazy when they sense something to celebrate.
When a team gets on a roll in a hockey city,the fans go nuts. Personally, the loudest crowd noise I've been part of was the old Forum. Like someone explained a 1000 posts ago, I suspect the ACC has more of a business fan base, hence at times the building is quieter. I'm an anglophone ex Quebecer [still one at heart] and I don't think my old neighbors would take it the wrong way if I claimed that they were more demonstrative than their friends from Ontario . Montreal has more highs and lows. You'll see the classiest displays and events that bring shame. Just the way it is. Nowadays, It's a moot point because crowd noise encouraged by a message board or a 'make some noise' recording, doesn't count. The increased seating in Mtl. ensures that more of the 'real fans' are there, for what that's worth. Frankly, the Hab fans on the board under 30 pretty well only have 93 to remember, so the superior attitude is mis placed. I don't know what Mckenzie's point was, I suspect he feels that the corporations that own these tickets should do a better job of using them. I thought Pat Hickey's comment about some yahoo yelping during the moment of silence the other night was a cheap shot, you don't blame a crowd for 1 idiot.

I should have mentionned, Pat Hickey is a Monteral Gazette columnist.

How am I completely wrong when the guy I was replying to said Montreal is the "real" hockey town... When you go proclaiming yourself to be the "real" hockeytown it becomes more then just Montreal and Toronto, other places where you can find passion in abundance will enter into the equation automatically.... I never once for a second questioned who was louder between Montreal and Toronto... though there are factors to be considered as habfansincebirth has pointed out, it isn't as black and white as some may like to look at it.. montreal was louder, want a cookie?...

TO by the way doesn't need to make the finals to get behind their team, anyone who questions Toronto's ability to get behind their team come playoff time, clearly has never been to the city around playoff season... no better time of the year to be in TO then playoff time, win or lose. so you can shove that little face of yours back where the sun dont shine, please dont come at me next with a neener neener neener, whatever would I do.


Bottom line is 40 years still waiting!!!!!!!!!!!! I know Toronto is a diehard city for their Leafs, but what about Canada. It doesn't seem as though they are as crazy for there country as they are for there city team

I actually have a huge melon head,not level at all. The whole question about whose fans are louder or better behaved becomes childish mine is bigger than yours stuff.People go crazy when they sense something to celebrate.
When a team gets on a roll in a hockey city,the fans go nuts. Personally, the loudest crowd noise I've been part of was the old Forum. Like someone explained a 1000 posts ago, I suspect the ACC has more of a business fan base, hence at times the building is quieter. I'm an anglophone ex Quebecer [still one at heart] and I don't think my old neighbors would take it the wrong way if I claimed that they were more demonstrative than their friends from Ontario . Montreal has more highs and lows. You'll see the classiest displays and events that bring shame. Just the way it is. Nowadays, It's a moot point because crowd noise encouraged by a message board or a 'make some noise' recording, doesn't count. The increased seating in Mtl. ensures that more of the 'real fans' are there, for what that's worth. Frankly, the Hab fans on the board under 30 pretty well only have 93 to remember, so the superior attitude is mis placed. I don't know what Mckenzie's point was, I suspect he feels that the corporations that own these tickets should do a better job of using them. I thought Pat Hickey's comment about some yahoo yelping during the moment of silence the other night was a cheap shot, you don't blame a crowd for 1 idiot.

Yes, I agree with pretty much every word of what you said... So in that sense we are on the same page here...

Bottom line is 40 years still waiting!!!!!!!!!!!! I know Toronto is a diehard city for their Leafs, but what about Canada. It doesn't seem as though they are as crazy for there country as they are for there city team

Thats funny you say that being a Canuck fan, I mean with all those stanley cup banners in GM place you are left with loads of room to talk... oh wait a second there is no Stanley Cup banners in GM place... wont be long until you guys are approaching 40 as well... tick, tick, tick, clock be tick tick ticking away. but it least you got those London Knights to provide some hope next year.

Toronto is too big of a city to act as if you have it figured out... I'm a diehard Leaf fan, from Toronto, and I've never cheered louder for a goal then I did when Iginla one-timed that pass in the 02 olympics, Richter able to get a piece, but not enough as the puck trickled passed the goalline... That gave Canada breathing room... After the game I went down to younge street which was packed, nothing but a sea of Canadian flags, quite a sight to behold, I'd say anyone who was on younge street the night Canada won gold would tell you differently when it comes to how they care about their country.

acting like a bunch of spoiled little brats.
well you know what they say about people brought up with the silver spoon in their mouths... or in this case... the silver Cup...

well you know what they say about people brought up with the silver spoon in their mouths... or in this case... the silver Cup...

Yeah, I know, too bad for them it's not the 70's anymore... but, they will have time to get used to going from being brought up with the silver cup in their mouth, to it then becoming a distant memory... :banana: sorry, couldn't help myself... first time to use the dancing banana, saving it for the right time, this seemes like a fitting occasion... anyways, often times those who are brought up with the silver spoon in their mouth only to then later not be as fortunate, have a difficult time making that adjustment. But dont worry, every year that passes by without the cup, just gets easier and easer, because you've seen it all before :banghead: ... As we get older becomes easier as well to cope with our disappointments... I should know, being a Leaf fan afterall.

I should know, being a Leaf fan afterall.
couldn't of said it any better myself...

couldn't of said it any better myself...

Dont worry, one day you will be able to, only replacing leaf fan with hab fan ;)

Yeah, I know, too bad for them it's not the 70's anymore... but, they will have time to get used to going from being brought up with the silver cup in their mouth, to it then becoming a distant memory... :banana: sorry, couldn't help myself... first time to use the dancing banana, saving it for the right time, this seemes like a fitting occasion... anyways, often times those who are brought up with the silver spoon in their mouth only to then later not be as fortunate, have a difficult time making that adjustment. But dont worry, every year that passes by without the cup, just gets easier and easer, because you've seen it all before :banghead: ... As we get older becomes easier as well to cope with our disappointments... I should know, being a Leaf fan afterall.

How can sombody be so bitter about a team like that? I bet he's a closet habs fan :lol .

:lol How can sombody be so bitter about a team like that? I bet he's a closet habs fan :lol .

uh oh, our very own Sherlock Holmes here at hf... Way to go Sherlock, now that you think you've figured me out, maybe next you can lend your services to Bush, perhaps you can help him find those WMD he's looking for... :lol

Dont worry, one day you will be able to, only replacing leaf fan with hab fan ;)
well im not sure... should the Habs plunge into a streak as long and abysmal as the leafs, well I'd probably be dead of old age...

(and i'm 20 right now so you do the math)

well im not sure... should the Habs plunge into a streak as long and abysmal as the leafs, well I'd probably die of old age...

(and i'm 20 right now so you do the math)

well, prepare to die of old age without seeing another Cup in Montreal then, as they say, hope for the best, prepare for the worst.... wouldn't surprise me in the least. But anyways, enough of this, gone on long enough...Long weekend officially over, back to the real world... I'm done, a pleasure as always hab fans, thanks for the laughs, I will surely miss you all to the point that I just may shed a tear or multiple tears, I really hate goodbyes especially with those lovable hab fans :cry: Especially you Sherlock, good luck on your future detective work. The last word is yours for the taking, I'd like to request that is left for Sherlock aka the incredibly smoothskater, I know he will make the most of it.

well, prepare to die of old age without seeing another Cup in Montreal then, as they say, hope for the best, prepare for the worst.... wouldn't surprise me in the least. But anyways, enough of this, gone on long enough...Long weekend officially over, back to the real world... I'm done, a pleasure as always hab fans, thanks for the laughs, I will surely miss you all to the point that I just may shed a tear or multiple tears, I really hate goodbyes especially with those lovable hab fans :cry: Especially you Sherlock, good luck on your future detective work. The last word is yours for the taking, I'd like to request that is left for Sherlock aka the incredibly smoothskater, I know he will make the most of it.
I got one word for ya: LOSER :lol . Oh and by the way thanx for the incredible intro...