MLB NL Rookie of the Year

Who's it gonna be?

I'm watching this SD game on ESPN right now, and they're talking about how the RotY race is between Green and Bay, and that Green has a comfortable lead on Bay.

What are they talking about?

:dunno:

Stats don't lie, people:

Green:

G - 118
AB - 416
R - 55
H - 111
2B - 24
3B - 4
HR - 10
RBI - 50
TB - 173
BB - 47
SO - 85
SB - 4
CS - 2 (What does this mean?)
OBP - .347
SLG - .416
AVG - .267
17 errors

Bay:

G - 86
AB - 284
R - 44
H - 87
2B - 19
3B - 2
HR - 19
RBI - 58
TB - 167
BB - 26
SO - 92
SB - 2
CS - 5 (What does this mean?)
OBP - .374
SLG - .588
AVG - .306
1 error
Plus the GW HR off Randy Johnson yesterday. :yo:

Look at those stats, and keep in mind that Bay's played 32 games less that Green.

Now answer me this, what are those ESPN announcers smoking?

Jason Bay IMO.

CS means 'caught stealing', i.e. when the catcher throws a guy out trying to steal a base.

Not knocking Bay at all, but that is a ton of strikeouts considering how many games he's played.

CS means 'caught stealing', i.e. when the catcher throws a guy out trying to steal a base.

Not knocking Bay at all, but that is a ton of strikeouts considering how many games he's played.

That is true but it's only 7 less then Green and Bay has played less games...

Bay takes the award, while my man Crosby gets it in the AL ;)

That is true but it's only 7 less then Green and Bay has played less games...

Bay takes the award, while my man Crosby gets it in the AL ;)

Yeah but that's a bad thing. Bay's played much less games then Green, but almost has struck out as much as him.

Think of it this way:

Green strikes out aprox. once every 5 at bats.
Bay strikes out aprox. once every 3 at bats.

It's really the only bad thing about Bay though.

its khalil greene

90% of the baseball fans on these boards are either from Pittsburgh or Canada. Bay is going to win the poll no matter what.

Then I guess we'll have to wait and see what Son of Steinbrenner's opinion on the matter is.

Bay of Pigs(burgh)

Gonna have to be a homer and go with Khalil. Stepped in as a rookie and has been splendid for a playoff contending club. Nobody quite remembers how the Padres were the worst team in the NL last year (64-98) and have an outside shot at catching the Cubs for the Wild Card.

And anybody that's watched Greene this year will tell you that it's his defense that is superb. As a hitter, he's decent but nothing jaw dropping. The best comparison I can think of is that he's a younger version of Omar Vizquel.

If you're going to rely completely on just batting stats, then Bay's your man. If you want to give Greene some credit for anchoring an infield for a playoff contender, then you'll go with him.

Just from ESPN, you tend to think those announcers would lean towards a player who gets more camera time. And no offense to Pirates fans, but I probably don't have to tell you that the Pirates don't exactly get a ton of publicity.

90% of the baseball fans on these boards are either from Pittsburgh or Canada. Bay is going to win the poll no matter what.

I'm pretty sure Bay would win if this poll was taken in...Florida.

The funny thing is they were both with Padres property last year. They must be kicking themselves for that trade

The funny thing is they were both with Padres property last year. They must be kicking themselves for that trade

Could have been worse. The pirates wanted them to take Kendall too to get rid of his salary burden.

if he would have started earlier I would have given my vote to Noah Lowry, but since he came in too late I'll give it to Greene

Khalil Greene. I may be a homer, since he's from Key West, but he's been phenomenal defensively. Everytime I watch him, he makes a highlight reel play. Hell, he had three in ESPN's top 10 plays of the week a month or so back. Plus his hitting has been pretty decent as well. Fantastic ball player.

All the way with Jason Bay.

Defense is about the only thing that Greene has on Bay, and considering Bay is far from a liability it isn't close to enough to overtake him.

I am a Pittsburgh fan so there may be some bias, but this shouldn't be a race...I mean look at the ****ing stats. All that in 132 less at bats.

Greene is a product of ESPN hype.

Greene he can bat and field.

Greene he can bat and field.

Bay bats 10 times better and hasn't comitted an error.

You can't really compare a SS and LF defensively, but Bay has been solid and mistake-free if nothing else.

Greene he can bat and field.

Bay bats 10 times better and hasn't comitted an error.

You can't really compare a SS and LF defensively, but Bay has been solid and mistake-free if nothing else.

Christ, how can you choose this one?

Bay is on the Pirates and Greene was born in Butler Pa

a ******-in-law vs. a ******

gotta go with Bay though his numbers are too good

90% of the baseball fans on these boards are either from Pittsburgh or Canada. Bay is going to win the poll no matter what.
yeah and I figured you canadians would still be voting for Vlad Guererro or Carlos Delgado to win this one

Greene, his defense is spectacular..

Greene, his defense is spectacular..so spectacular that his fielding % is 11th out of 13 qualifying NL shortstops

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=8&season=2004&seasonType=2&split=82&sortOrder=true&sortColumn=fieldingPct

Greene is nothing special, and there have been very few ROY's won on defense

Bay is on the Pirates and Greene was born in Butler Pa

a ******-in-law vs. a ******

Only an ****** by birth. Khalil's a Bahamian boy from Key West.

The funny thing is they were both with Padres property last year. They must be kicking themselves for that trade

Can't really fault the Padres for it. They'd be kicking themselves if they were still in last place in the NL West. Acquire a proven guy like Giles and it at least sets the tone to the team that they're expected to win.

Pirates made out well, but unfortunately they are still rebuilding, so up and comers like Bay and Oliver Perez aren't getting the pub they'd deserve if they were in the playoff hunt.

Again, if you're basing Khalil Greene entirely on stats off a web page, then your vote's gonna go for Bay.

so spectacular that his fielding % is 11th out of 13 qualifying NL shortstops

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=8&season=2004&seasonType=2&split=82&sortOrder=true&sortColumn=fieldingPct

Greene is nothing special, and there have been very few ROY's won on defense

If there is anything I have learned from moneyball, its that fielding percentage is crap. Greene is a sick, perenial highlite reel fielder.

well if you dont count the errors everyone is a great fielder

well if you dont count the errors everyone is a great fielder

Think about it this way:

Player 1)You can be slow as hell or just plain out of position and be too far away from a ball to make a play that should normally be makable. You do not get an error.
Player 2)You nearly get to a ball that should be a sure fire hit due to your incredible speed/positioning but just miss it. You get an error.

On a ball that player 2 would bust his ass to get to (and maybe miss) player 1 would come nowhere close to the ball. So while player 2 will make a lot more possible outs than player 1, he will have more errors. Fair? Not really.

Is Jason Bay related to Lauren Bay? (Canadian softball ace)

Is Jason Bay related to Lauren Bay? (Canadian softball ace)

siblings


Anyways Bay should win but it's not a stretch to think that Greene doesn't have a chance because just last year the SS with worse numbers then the LF won.

A couple voters went out of their way to not include Matsui in their vote. Don't think voters would do that to Jason Bay.

I understand why some people can say the stats lie on Greene's defense, but the fact is he's ungodly overrated defensively.

He's flashy. Very flashy. I'm happier with the consistant, albeit less flared, Jack Wilson at short than I would be with the flashy mistake-prone Greene.

But the fact remains, I don't care how amazing Greene's defense is, Bay is lapping him on almost every offensive category on the planet, which means it shouldn't even be a race. Bay is leading pretty much every batting category for NL rookies.

Khalil Greene, by far

Khalil Greene, by far

:lol :lol :lol

How I wish David Wright would have had a longer season. He would have won. His numbers projected over a season are around 130 Runs 30 HR 100 RBI 300 BA (thats what it was about 5 days ago and hes still ripping) :(

Over 550 at bats Jason Bay's stats would project to .302, 36, 111
Over 550 at bats David Wright's stats would project to .299, 25, 78

so :p:

For the record...
Over 550 at bats Khalil Greene's stats would project to .271, 13, 67

Projecting Scott Kazmir over a full season: 30-0 0.00 ERA. :)

Over 550 at bats John VanBenschoeten's stats would project to .333, 183, 367

As a pitcher :banana: :p:

Winning has to count for something. Greene's offense and defense has been one of the main reasons the Pads are in both the Division and Wild Card races. But I know that ROY has nothing to do with how good your team is, that's more of an MVP award (at least sometimes).. so Bay will probably get more love because he has better numbers.

However, Greene has played in 33 more games than Bay this season. I believe Bay has only played 87 games while Greene has played in 120.

I voted for Khalil Greene.. but both are legit candidates.

Greene has played in more games due to injuries to Bay, nothing else.

Bay missed all of April and a couple week-long stretches throughout the season.

Winning may have to count for something, but on an award like this...why? It's not Bay's fault the Pirates management is bent on making the team lose.