Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[DRW895]

Again, you're criticizing a team devoid of offensive talent for giving the No. 1 PP goal scorer ever lots PP time. He could be 200 goals short and it would look the exact same. At age 38 and declining, you put him in the best position to contribute.

His usage isn't sheltered because of the record it's because he. is. old. as. F.

Many people try make everything bad with Capitals up to Ovechkin. They even are ready to give Carberry Adams Trophy

 

[ijuka]

Again, you're criticizing a team devoid of offensive talent for giving the No. 1 PP goal scorer ever lots PP time. He could be 200 goals short and it would look the exact same. At age 38 and declining, you put him in the best position to contribute.

His usage isn't sheltered because of the record it's because he. is. old. as. F.

Some people just don't like putting the player above the team, which the Caps seem to be doing. Everything is about trying to help Ovi break the record, rather than maximizing their chances of winning. Most would consider it offputting if their team was doing it, but I guess Caps don't.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Some people just don't like putting the player above the team, which the Caps seem to be doing. Everything is about trying to help Ovi break the record, rather than maximizing their chances of winning. Most would consider it offputting if their team was doing it, but I guess Caps don't.

You do know the owner, Ted Leonsis, puts Ovechkin above the team. Leonsis values mass marketing far more than overall team success. OV even at age 38, still sells the team better than anyone else on the roster.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Some people just don't like putting the player above the team, which the Caps seem to be doing. Everything is about trying to help Ovi break the record, rather than maximizing their chances of winning. Most would consider it offputting if their team was doing it, but I guess Caps don't.

Please give tangible examples of how all they care about is the record besides "he gets lots of PP time" which has been a thing for literally the last 12-15 years and didn't just start becoming a thing once he hit 800 and 895 became plausible.

Again, hiring a completely unproven AHL coach and trading away key players at the deadline two years in a row does not suggest that they are putting 895 over everything. They are clearly and correctly rebuilding around Ovechkin in real time.

You do know the owner, Ted Leonsis, puts Ovechkin above the team. Leonsis values mass marketing far more than overall team success. OV even at age 38, still sells the team better than anyone else on the roster.

Then why has he allowed them to ice a roster half filled with unknown NHL commodities? Why did he allow them to trade one of Ovechkin's countrymen midseason? Why did he allow them to hire a coach clearly hired for young player development?

 

[Kuz]

Caps are rebuilding and are also way ahead of where people tought they would be with their playoff spot this year.

Ovi is still a top forward on the team with 0,82 PPG tied for 1st on the team with Strome. He is playing normal minutes with an average of 19 minutes.

The third best ppg forward this season was Mantha at 0,61 ppg (Which they traded away). Then you have Pacioretty at 0,49 ppg, Oshie 0,48 ppg, Wilson and Milano at 0,47 ppg, Lapierre 0,43 PPG, McMichael 0,41 ppg and Kuznetsov 0,40 ppg (Traded away).

Who of these guys are really producing enough to be considered a better scoring threat than Ovi on the PP?

Ovechkin isnt playing most of the PP because Caps are trying to get him the record. He plays most of it as he is the best option by far.

This year they traded Mantha, Kuznetsov and Edmundson. Last year they traded Orlov, Eller, Hathaway and Johansson. Both years they where in the playoff race and made it this year despite the trades.

If Ovi's goalscoring was the main objective they wouldnt trade away those guys.

 

[Bradely]

You do know the owner, Ted Leonsis, puts Ovechkin above the team. Leonsis values mass marketing far more than overall team success. OV even at age 38, still sells the team better than anyone else on the roster.

It seems this is correct. But Ovi current play is sad. Maybe fans in their barn might ask for a good product, before paying to let Ovi break a record on an irrelevant team

Please give tangible examples of how all they care about is the record besides "he gets lots of PP time" which has been a thing for literally the last 12-15 years and didn't just start becoming a thing once he hit 800 and 895 became plausible.

Again, hiring a completely unproven AHL coach and trading away key players at the deadline two years in a row does not suggest that they are putting 895 over everything. They are clearly and correctly rebuilding around Ovechkin in real time.



Then why has he allowed them to ice a roster half filled with unknown NHL commodities? Why did he allow them to trade one of Ovechkin's countrymen midseason? Why did he allow them to hire a coach clearly hired for young player development?

Answer is simple.... when your best asset is 39..... the 39 year player in question plays more, more and more. And when you play more, you have chances a potting 10, 20 + goal.

 

[Selanne00008]

It seems this is correct. But Ovi current play is sad. Maybe fans in their barn might ask for a good product, before paying to let Ovi break a record on an irrelevant team


Answer is simple.... when your best asset is 39..... the 39 year player in question plays more, more and more. And when you play more, you have chances a potting 10, 20 + goal.

Sooooo... If they added at the deadline to try and squeeze in when a clear rebuild is needed what would that be called? Getting a new Backstrom to feed Ovie?

Yet, when they trade pieces away to properly rebuild, it's called making sure Ovie is the only option to put out there for a full 2 minute powerplay? Make it make sense pls.

Perhaps the proper answer would be, the caps really should be trading Ovie away to a contender? Not sure anyone would take on the cap hit, maybe some retention. But, how realistic is that? Same could and should be said for Crosby. Old, the team is floundering, get assets while you can. But again, what ownership in their right mind would ship either of them off? They're so iconic in their cities. I think you only do that if the player comes to you.

 

[Bradely]

Sooooo... If they added at the deadline to try and squeeze in when a clear rebuild is needed what would that be called? Getting a new Backstrom to feed Ovie?

Yet, when they trade pieces away to properly rebuild, it's called making sure Ovie is the only option to put out there for a full 2 minute powerplay? Make it make sense pls.

Perhaps the proper answer would be, the caps really should be trading Ovie away to a contender? Not sure anyone would take on the cap hit, maybe some retention. But, how realistic is that? Same could and should be said for Crosby. Old, the team is floundering, get assets while you can. But again, what ownership in their right mind would ship either of them off? They're so iconic in their cities. I think you only do that if the player comes to you.

IMO, it is on the Caps and not OVI. caps should have done a better job in their transition . Caps are not alone though, Hawks did the same thing. At some point a 39 years old player/forward should not be a top gun on a contending team.

 

[Selanne00008]

IMO, it is on the Caps and not OVI. caps should have done a better job in their transition . Caps are not alone though, Hawks did the same thing. At some point a 39 years old player/forward should not be a top gun on a contending team.

Well, they certainly are not a contending team, and truly shouldn't have even made the playoffs. What were they, -40 goal differential? Even the Sabres were a + goal differential, and they didn't even have a 60 point player.

 

[43sfriends]

The caps are in a difficult spot but it has nothing to do with Ovi. It has everything to do with being a top 8 team in the league almost every season for the last 20 years and missing out on the high quality prospects needed to build a team around.

Leonard might be their first pick to actually pan out as a top line forward in... how many years?

 

[SkinsFan09]

It seems this is correct. But Ovi current play is sad. Maybe fans in their barn might ask for a good product, before paying to let Ovi break a record on an irrelevant team


Answer is simple.... when your best asset is 39..... the 39 year player in question plays more, more and more. And when you play more, you have chances a potting 10, 20 + goal.

It sounds more like you just hate Ovechkin and thus are trying to create an argument where you can never be wrong. If they have a loaded roster, it's because they only care about the record, if they have a roster of young developing players it's because they want Ovechkin to get all the chances despite the fact that they're literally doing what they are supposed to be - turning over the roster to the next generation.

 

[Bradely]

It sounds more like you just hate Ovechkin and thus are trying to create an argument where you can never be wrong. If they have a loaded roster, it's because they only care about the record, if they have a roster of young developing players it's because they want Ovechkin to get all the chances despite the fact that they're literally doing what they are supposed to be - turning over the roster to the next generation.

You can not stop a heart from loving......

 

[BallardEra]

IMO, it is on the Caps and not OVI. caps should have done a better job in their transition . Caps are not alone though, Hawks did the same thing. At some point a 39 years old player/forward should not be a top gun on a contending team.

This is true.

It's not fair to both Ovie and the team at this point.

 

[SkinsFan09]

This is true.

It's not fair to both Ovie and the team at this point.

All title teams hold onto the heroes too long

 

[gtrower]

A whole summer of randos crying in here about the Caps/Ovi caring more about 895 than starting the rebuild now. That turned out to be hilariously wrong as the Caps sold assets. Now it seems we’re due for a whole summer of randos crying in here about the Caps/Ovi caring more about 895 than trying to win a Cup now.

I don’t know what more you can ask from a GM during a transition than to make the playoffs after selling at the trade deadline. And you’d think an against superstar sticking around through a rebuild would be celebrated.

Feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

 

[kugelbahn]

A whole summer of randos crying in here about the Caps/Ovi caring more about 895 than starting the rebuild now. That turned out to be hilariously wrong as the Caps sold assets. Now it seems we’re due for a whole summer of randos crying in here about the Caps/Ovi caring more about 895 than trying to win a Cup now.

I don’t know what more you can ask from a GM during a transition than to make the playoffs after selling at the trade deadline. And you’d think an against superstar sticking around through a rebuild would be celebrated.

Feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

Personally, I will take a break from Caps after OV retires.
I think from business standpoint it is no-brainer to keep OV for 2 more years and keep OV and his fans like me happy.

 

[YippieKaey]

A whole summer of randos crying in here about the Caps/Ovi caring more about 895 than starting the rebuild now. That turned out to be hilariously wrong as the Caps sold assets. Now it seems we’re due for a whole summer of randos crying in here about the Caps/Ovi caring more about 895 than trying to win a Cup now.

I don’t know what more you can ask from a GM during a transition than to make the playoffs after selling at the trade deadline. And you’d think an against superstar sticking around through a rebuild would be celebrated.

Feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

It's cognitive dissonance at play. They will criticize him no matter what happens. They do so because deep down they know.......