Get Draisaitl and McDavid some help

[Sidney the Kidney]

The Oilers "lack of depth" discussion has less to do with what McDavid and Draisaitl are able to do with their wingers and more to do with their 3rd and 4th lines having like 1 goal all playoffs.

Their 3rd line in the 2nd round is Perry, McLeod, Foegele. They've combined for 0 points in 5 games. McLeod and Perry have 0 points all playoffs, Foegele has a goal and an assist (the goal was an empty netter in a 7-4 win, the assist was when he was on a line with Draisaitl).

McLeod and Foegele's regular season numbers were likely inflated by having stretches with Draisaitl. What the Oilers actually need is forwards who are capable of doing anything without McDrai putting them in their backpacks.

But that's precisely the issue with how the Oilers stack their top line. Those guys might actually produce if they had a better center to play with.

Foegele - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - Draisaitl - Holloway
McLeod - RNH - Perry

And suddenly the Oilers' top 9 will be more productive than stacking one line and then complaining that there's no depth because the rest of the guys can't get it done.

Again, if the Pens had done the exact same thing the Oilers do (ie. put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel on one line), their 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines would have the same issues scoring. But because they spread around the 3 elite talents on different lines, each line had a line driver to help the more mediocre complimentary types.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Lol how did this turn into a full Blown McDavid/Draisaitl vs Crosby/Malkin debate?

Penguins had their best winger on the third line and Malkin & Crosby had worse wingers 5-on-5 than McDrai do when split up and they still carried their lines. McDrai should be able to produce well centring their own line as Hyman, Kane & RNH are very good wingers.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Look at the way the Penguins played in 2017, the whole team was committed to defense. The fact that they had two goalies put up good numbers might be an indicator of the team in from of them. As opposed to Edmonton recently, where every goalie's SV% plummets.

You are suggesting that if Edmonton had two different players vs mcdrai Oilers goalies would be better

Sounds awfully intangible. You have anything to back that nonsense opinion up?

Lol how did this turn into a full Blown McDavid/Draisaitl vs Crosby/Malkin debate?

Penguins had their best winger on the third line and Malkin & Crosby had worse wingers 5-on-5 than McDrai do when split up and they still carried their lines. McDrai should be able to produce well centring their own line as Hyman, Kane & RNH are very good wingers. Letang & Bouchard cancel each other out. The penguins did have solid goaltending between Fleury & Murray, agree with that.

Insecure Crosby fans, that's how

 

[DearDiary]

The Oilers "lack of depth" discussion has less to do with what McDavid and Draisaitl are able to do with their wingers and more to do with their 3rd and 4th lines having like 1 goal all playoffs.

Their 3rd line in the 2nd round is Perry, McLeod, Foegele. They've combined for 0 points in 5 games. McLeod and Perry have 0 points all playoffs, Foegele has a goal and an assist (the goal was an empty netter in a 7-4 win, the assist was when he was on a line with Draisaitl).

McLeod and Foegele's regular season numbers were likely inflated by having stretches with Draisaitl. What the Oilers actually need is forwards who are capable of doing anything without McDrai putting them in their backpacks.

Their 3rd/4th line has been contributing no offense solely because of your coach

McLeod-RNH-Hyman

Oilers could easily ice a competent 3rd line. Foegele should be in the top 6 and have McDavid/Draisaitl raising his game, not be stuck in the bottom 6 with no one who can utilize his skillset.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

You are suggesting that if Edmonton had two different players vs mcdrai Oilers goalies would be better

Sounds awfully intangible. You have anything to back that nonsense opinion up?


Insecure Crosby fans, that's how

No, I'm suggesting that if the Oilers played a system more committed to defense their goalies stats would look better. But their stars point totals would also drop.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Pittsburgh was a massive better team in general talking about depth and defencemen. Why did you only pick malkin's '08 and '09 years? Stats doesnt work that way way for other years?

Ok, let's talk about the Penguins' depth in 2009. Their team scored 20 goals in 24 games with Crosby and Malkin off the ice (13 ES, 2 PP, 4 EN, 1 SH). They were not the difference here, I'd guess the Oilers depth, despite the fact that they load up their top lines, has contributed more at ES this playoffs than the Penguins' did.

 

[Frank Drebin]

No, I'm suggesting that if the Oilers played a system more committed to defense their goalies stats would look better. But their stars point totals would also drop.

That suggests a coaching issue more than anything yeah?

 

[bambamcam4ever]

That suggests a coaching issue more than anything yeah?

Sure, but you can't just take the benefits of the system (97 and 29's inflated point totals) and then separate the drawbacks, they're related.

But the fact that practically all of Edmonton's coaches have deployed a similar style makes you question who is really in change there.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Sure, but you can't just take the benefits of the system (97 and 29's inflated point totals) and then separate the drawbacks, they're related.

But the fact that practically all of Edmonton's coaches have deployed a similar style makes you question who is really in change there.

You're suggesting they're undermining the coaches?

 

[syz]

But that's precisely the issue with how the Oilers stack their top line. Those guys might actually produce if they had a better center to play with.

Foegele - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - Draisaitl - Holloway
McLeod - RNH - Perry

And suddenly the Oilers' top 9 will be more productive than stacking one line and then complaining that there's no depth because the rest of the guys can't get it done.

Again, if the Pens had done the exact same thing the Oilers do (ie. put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel on one line), their 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines would have the same issues scoring. But because they spread around the 3 elite talents on different lines, each line had a line driver to help the more mediocre complimentary types.

I've never seen RNH drive a line in his career. He's only ever had success while on the ice with one of Hall, McDavid, or Draisaitl.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

You're suggesting they're undermining the coaches?

I would never suggest that a player who hired his agent and juniors coach would undermine management

 

[Frank Drebin]

I would never suggest that a player who hired his agent and juniors coach would undermine management

I think you have MDS

 

[pockets321]

I think you have MDS

You're delusional.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You're delusional.

Who is this? New phone

 

[Sniper99]

Lol how did this turn into a full Blown McDavid/Draisaitl vs Crosby/Malkin debate?

Penguins had their best winger on the third line and Malkin & Crosby had worse wingers 5-on-5 than McDrai do when split up and they still carried their lines. McDrai should be able to produce well centring their own line as Hyman, Kane & RNH are very good wingers.

The McDavid/Draisaitl takes are just straight up delusional. I wont say who is delusional, dont want the almighty Troll Tracker wtf its called on my case but yeah straight up delusional.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The McDavid/Draisaitl takes are just straight up delusional. I wont say who is delusional, dont want the almighty Troll Tracker wtf its called on my case but yeah straight up delusional.

McDavid is my favorite player ever.

I hope that when the next one comes who is better than McDavid I can be reasonable about it and enjoy his greatness rather than acting silly and childish like we're seeing from the Crosby fanboys and oiler haters in this thread.


It's pathetic fanboy behavior and the longer their respective careers go on the stupider these comments look.

It's Toews intangibles 2.0