F Konsta Helenius - Jukurit, FIN Liiga (2024 Draft)

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I see a bit of Nico Hischier in his game, Smaller then the Prototypical center but using a combination of smarts, tenacity, and using all of their body to fight for pucks along the boards.

If he was a little bit bigger he would a lock for the top 5 of the draft especially since Center depth is lacking in this draft.
 

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I think it's less nationality, specifically, and more league-ish, or should I say Liiga.

Full disclosure, I think Liiga hockey is garbage to watch, an eyesore with no rhyme or reason. It's as if Finnish HCs saw a game of the NHL dead puck era and thought that was way too wild for them. Pacing in particular is not up to par with modern NHL.

Having said such, a good scout will still do their best to isolate the player from the situation. If Helenius plays at a far faster pace than Liiga usually does, for instance, then that's a positive sign.

Players that you mentioned, for the most part, are not the most creative and/or quick thinkers. Kakko has excellent board play and puck protection and Laine had terrific hands and shots to work with, but even they never fully became what their production suggest they could become (small * on Laine though).
Ironically the best prospect to come out of Liga in recent years wasn't even a Finn!
 

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Yep, not his greatest game, but these happen with teenagers (outside Bedard/McDavid class superstars). He definitely needs to bulk up and was clearly feeling uncomfortable against quite physical Norwegians. Unfortunately refs missed one quite clear kneeing which unsettled him even more.
 

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Ironically the best prospect to come out of Liga in recent years wasn't even a Finn!
Even more ironically he didn't play that well in Liiga! Then he played pretty well in WHC and now he's pretty great in the NHL.

Rantanen played OK in Liiga, had to spend a season in the AHL and now he's one of the best forwards in the NHL.

Then there was Kakko who played great in Liiga and in the WHC and degraded into a 4th line forward in the NHL.

And Kotkaniemi who was pretty meh in Liiga (Points would say otherwise but he really was not good) and turned out to be meh in NHL too!

And Miro Heiskanen who looked great in Liiga & was great in the NHL from the word go.

And Barkov who was great in Liiga but took two seasons in the NHL to get going.

It's almost like prospect development and adaptability for the NA ice are unpredictable & you can't just add up the league + the points and use those as some sort of a predictor! What! o_O


To get back to Helenius, I concur with people above. He looks to me like the kind of a middle-six center any competing team needs; Capable offensively, responsible defensively, able to drive his line and is ready to battle for the puck. I hope he pans out.
 
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Some highly drafted Finn forwards (thinking Laine, Kakko, Kotkaniemi, and Puljujarvi) have failed to live up their potential recently, is it possible any of this reflects on Helenius as a potential top 10 pick? Obviously a good player/1st round pick, but nothing explodes off the page to me either.

Rantanen would've been last full value top 10 forward pick and that was almost a decade ago. Heiskanen if you include D (but countered by Juolevi/Ristolainen)

Not saying it's fair to draw a line between players because of nationality, I just find it odd as an outsider/non-Finn, please feel free to educate me :laugh:
These takes should be answered in a methodical way. Laine was always a huge talent and drafted rightfully in the second spot. His rookie season if anything was special and tells it all.
I dislike when people draw simple conclusions in their attempt to see similarities between different individuals. Unconsciously or not, that will only give you the answers you want to find. Not necessarily the correct one nor even the answers that you 'll have any use for.

Let's get it straight: Laine was very special. Could've been one of the best scorers if used in the best way. Why? No matter his weaknesses such as intensity, acceleration, engine and perhaps sometimes his effort. Not only did he possess a lethal, a completely lethal shot. He knew how and when to use it and how to find the needed space. PP-specialist or not, the absolute elite scoring level was there.
I mean both Kakko and Laine was much bigger prospects for me than say Slafkovsky and Wright. A whole other level. I mean just like Hughes and Matthews were and are something else compared to the prospects from the Slaf-draft. I mean Laine was and will always be more talented for me than Dubois. Make no mistake about it.
Also, when Finland won that gold medal in the WJC's 2016 it was clear that even if the roster was deep and good with Rantanen, Hintz and Aho capable to carry a line but it was even clearer that Laine was the ice cool scorer who could make the difference in PP and so on, Not Pulju, not Kapanen. And they were highly touted too.
It's another topic if you want to discuss mental health and what happened in his personal life and relations and how that eventually affected him and his career.
Just because you are talented, even elite, doesn't mean you will or can handle life's general downs and circumstances in a good way.

Kakko then? He was an absolute monster and a lot greater of a prospect than other high picks through the years when drafted. It's like your not taking any other factors in consideration. Even if Finnish prospects failed or not, that's the easiest and most incorrect conclusion you can draw.
He dominated the mens WC, a lot more than Slaf, and even Laine or Tolvanen and others. All of them great prospects. He played better than a lot of NHL pro's when he played in that gold winning team.
Not having the best circumstances in Rangers have been a factor, his character another etc. I can admit I don't believe Kakko and Juolevi have the most outspoken personalities. Laine on the other hand was something else. Tolvanen had some character to him as well.
But then again, send Kakko to play with a player with Ahos or Barkovs strengths and see what happens? I have a feeling Kakko could be one of the best wingers out there for these kind of centers to make them a winning line. Heck, give Lundell a winging Kakko and see what happens.
The point in writing this big mess? Everyone is different in some ways no matter the nationality. Both genes and your environment plays a part in how an individual manages himself in the end.

With that said. Helenius isn't on Laine nor Kakkos level at the same age but then again, he's a completely different player and the comparison isn't that interesting or telling. Therefor I would want to state it's a lot more interesting and relevant to compare to similar playing styles if anything.
 
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These takes should be answered in a methodical way. Laine was always a huge talent and drafted rightfully in the second spot. His rookie season if anything was special and tells it all.
I dislike when people draw simple conclusions in their attempt to see similarities between different individuals. Unconsciously or not, that will only give you the answers you want to find. Not necessarily the correct one nor even the answers that you 'll have any use for.

Let's get it straight: Laine was very special. Could've been one of the best scorers if used in the best way. Why? No matter his weaknesses such as intensity, acceleration, engine and perhaps sometimes his effort. Not only did he possess a lethal, a completely lethal shot. He knew how and when ot use it and how to find the needed space. PP-specialist or not, the absolute elite scoring level was there.
I mean both Kakko and Laine was much bigger prospects for me than say Slafkovsky and Wright. A whole other level. I mean just like Hughes and Matthews were and are something else compared to the prospects from the Slaf-draft. I mean Laine was and will always be more talented for me than Dubois. Make no mistake about it.
Also, when Finland won that gold medal in the WJC's 2016 it was clear that even if the roster was deep and good that Rantanen, Hintz and Aho could carry a line and it was even clearer that Laine was the ice cool scorer who could make the difference in PP and so on, Not Pulju, not Kapanen. And they were highly touted too.
It's another topic if you want to discuss mental health and what happened in his personal life and relations and how that eventually affected him and his career.
Just because you are talented, even elite, doesn't mean you will or can handle life's general downs and circumstances in a good way.

Kakko then? He was an absolute monster and a lot greater of a prospect than other high picks through the years when drafted. It's like your not taking any other factors in consideration. Even if Finnish prospects failed or not, that's the most easiest and incorrect conclusion you can draw.
He dominated the mens WC, a lot more than Slaf, and even Laine or Tolvanen and others. All of them great prospects. He played better than a lot of NHL pro's when he played in that gold winning team.
Laine is definitely an example of that life is unpredictable and its more than just hockey.
 
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Right now there are 3 possible Finnish Conn Smythe winners. 5 players in the top24 of playoff scoring. All players gone through Liiga development. How many other leagues can say the same? Certainly not swedish league.

If anything Liiga is better indication of NHL talent than most according to history. You have to also remember that it's a men's pro league so other players/teams affect your production and play much more so than in junior hockey where you can score via talent alone. Which is why it's maybe harder to assess potential.

Good example is Kasper Halttunen who had 1 point in 27 Liiga games. Went to OHL London Knights scored over ppg in regular season and is leading the playoff scoring now. Points aren't the end all for either direction in pro league which is why you pay your scouts to watch them.
 

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It's easy to see why Jalonen decided to demote Helenius. He had couple risky cross-ice passes that didn't connect. Granlund has had those as well but he obviously has the longest leeway possible. It's a shame because i thought he had Granlund has some chemistry(certainly more than Granlund and Puustinen who can't seem to find each other at all so far) and Konsta had some great neutral zone plays that ended up in offensive zone pressure. Jalonen is there to win gold and not develop Helenius so it's understandable. If he gets another chance Helenius won't be throwing those cross-ice passes on blue line i think.
 

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